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2022 payroll reality check
2 months ago  ::  Oct 14, 2021 - 12:31PM #1
Hobbs
Posts: 145

I didn't realize that next years payroll is already projected at over 222 mil. with just the current players under contract and the projected arbitration raises.                                                                          


2021 New York Yankees Payroll | RosterResource | FanGraphs Baseball   


scroll to bottom for 2022 totals.



Unless the new CBA agreement raises the luxury tax we will already be over the limit.


So the question I have is, How are we going to fill the holes in the roster with Hal's self imposed budget. Will he blow past the limit? I'm not confident he will. If we are going to add a SS. 1st baseman, catcher or centerfielder or even a pitcher we will have to shed a lot of payroll either thru trades or non tenders.



Who are you willing to trade away or just cut?




2 months ago  ::  Oct 14, 2021 - 12:46PM #2
dixieyank
Posts: 6,553

Who knows... baseball ref has conflicting data from fangraphs. For instance, Clay Holmes is showing on baseball ref to not be arb eligable until 2023, instead of 2022 as fangraphs is saying. There are others, as well.


Then there is the high chance that some of these players won't be around. 


The Yankees reset the cap penalty. It's up to Hal and his bean counting to do the rest. I'm sure it will all come down to how he can maximize profits. WS titles are a distant goal to that.

2 months ago  ::  Oct 14, 2021 - 3:03PM #3
bumper
Posts: 10,548

this season's payroll restrictions was about 2 things. one was to reset the LT. mission accomplished. two, was covid. fans don't wanna hear it but they lost a lot of money due to no fans last year and with more uncertainity again & full capacity not allowed until mid-june, they tempered their spending this year.


with the LT reset and back to normal seating, we should see them spend more. contrary to popular "thought", hal wants a winner. like it or not, he spent buckets on stanton and 2 years ago, even more ridiculous money on cole. as misguided as it turned out, both of those moves were supposed to bring a championship. last year he signed DJ. he spends. don't think he's gonna go crazy because seeing what the rays do with a third of the money has to drive him crazy.

2 months ago  ::  Oct 14, 2021 - 3:07PM #4
1955nyyfan
Posts: 2,927

Oct 14, 2021 -- 3:03PM, bumper wrote:


this season's payroll restrictions was about 2 things. one was to reset the LT. mission accomplished. two, was covid. fans don't wanna hear it but they lost a lot of money due to no fans last year and with more uncertainity again & full capacity not allowed until mid-june, they tempered their spending this year.


with the LT reset and back to normal seating, we should see them spend more. contrary to popular "thought", hal wants a winner. like it or not, he spent buckets on stanton and 2 years ago, even more ridiculous money on cole. as misguided as it turned out, both of those moves were supposed to bring a championship. last year he signed DJ. he spends. don't think he's gonna go crazy because seeing what the rays do with a third of the money has to drive him crazy.




agree, plus there is a lot of money tied up in Gallo  Sanchez and Voit. Who knows if any or all of them will be back. 

2 months ago  ::  Oct 14, 2021 - 3:31PM #5
Hobbs
Posts: 145

Oct 14, 2021 -- 3:07PM, 1955nyyfan wrote:


Oct 14, 2021 -- 3:03PM, bumper wrote:


this season's payroll restrictions was about 2 things. one was to reset the LT. mission accomplished. two, was covid. fans don't wanna hear it but they lost a lot of money due to no fans last year and with more uncertainity again & full capacity not allowed until mid-june, they tempered their spending this year.


with the LT reset and back to normal seating, we should see them spend more. contrary to popular "thought", hal wants a winner. like it or not, he spent buckets on stanton and 2 years ago, even more ridiculous money on cole. as misguided as it turned out, both of those moves were supposed to bring a championship. last year he signed DJ. he spends. don't think he's gonna go crazy because seeing what the rays do with a third of the money has to drive him crazy.




agree, plus there is a lot of money tied up in Gallo  Sanchez and Voit. Who knows if any or all of them will be back. 




So we agree Hal won't go crazy with the spending, then how are we going to improve when were already sitting at 220 million?


It has to be mostly thru trades right. Unless you dump some contracts to clear space for a free agent.

2 months ago  ::  Oct 14, 2021 - 3:39PM #6
Paterson
Posts: 7,340


    As with so many other apsects of the game, Cashman has no clue as to managing a payroll. 

2 months ago  ::  Oct 14, 2021 - 4:51PM #7
bumper
Posts: 10,548

Oct 14, 2021 -- 3:31PM, Hobbs wrote:


Oct 14, 2021 -- 3:07PM, 1955nyyfan wrote:


Oct 14, 2021 -- 3:03PM, bumper wrote:


this season's payroll restrictions was about 2 things. one was to reset the LT. mission accomplished. two, was covid. fans don't wanna hear it but they lost a lot of money due to no fans last year and with more uncertainity again & full capacity not allowed until mid-june, they tempered their spending this year.


with the LT reset and back to normal seating, we should see them spend more. contrary to popular "thought", hal wants a winner. like it or not, he spent buckets on stanton and 2 years ago, even more ridiculous money on cole. as misguided as it turned out, both of those moves were supposed to bring a championship. last year he signed DJ. he spends. don't think he's gonna go crazy because seeing what the rays do with a third of the money has to drive him crazy.




agree, plus there is a lot of money tied up in Gallo  Sanchez and Voit. Who knows if any or all of them will be back. 




So we agree Hal won't go crazy with the spending, then how are we going to improve when were already sitting at 220 million?


It has to be mostly thru trades right. Unless you dump some contracts to clear space for a free agent.




i did say "we should see them spend more", just don't think he'd go $300 mil crazy. it's been proven, spending like crazy doesn't solve anything other than placate an entitled fan base. think we could see $240-50 mil. that should be more than enough along with some smart trading and getting rid of the dead wood. and if it takes more than a season to get there, so be it. rather see a team built to last and self-sustaining like the astros or rays rather than a band-aid.


  

2 months ago  ::  Oct 14, 2021 - 7:20PM #8
Paterson
Posts: 7,340

Oct 14, 2021 -- 4:51PM, bumper wrote:


Oct 14, 2021 -- 3:31PM, Hobbs wrote:


Oct 14, 2021 -- 3:07PM, 1955nyyfan wrote:


Oct 14, 2021 -- 3:03PM, bumper wrote:


this season's payroll restrictions was about 2 things. one was to reset the LT. mission accomplished. two, was covid. fans don't wanna hear it but they lost a lot of money due to no fans last year and with more uncertainity again & full capacity not allowed until mid-june, they tempered their spending this year.


with the LT reset and back to normal seating, we should see them spend more. contrary to popular "thought", hal wants a winner. like it or not, he spent buckets on stanton and 2 years ago, even more ridiculous money on cole. as misguided as it turned out, both of those moves were supposed to bring a championship. last year he signed DJ. he spends. don't think he's gonna go crazy because seeing what the rays do with a third of the money has to drive him crazy.




agree, plus there is a lot of money tied up in Gallo  Sanchez and Voit. Who knows if any or all of them will be back. 




So we agree Hal won't go crazy with the spending, then how are we going to improve when were already sitting at 220 million?


It has to be mostly thru trades right. Unless you dump some contracts to clear space for a free agent.




i did say "we should see them spend more", just don't think he'd go $300 mil crazy. it's been proven, spending like crazy doesn't solve anything other than placate an entitled fan base. think we could see $240-50 mil. that should be more than enough along with some smart trading and getting rid of the dead wood. and if it takes more than a season to get there, so be it. rather see a team built to last and self-sustaining like the astros or rays rather than a band-aid.


  




    The problem is that the LT rate increases each year you stay over the cap. When you sign or take on super long deals, time is not your ally.  

2 months ago  ::  Oct 14, 2021 - 7:48PM #9
bumper
Posts: 10,548

Oct 14, 2021 -- 7:20PM, Paterson wrote:


Oct 14, 2021 -- 4:51PM, bumper wrote:


Oct 14, 2021 -- 3:31PM, Hobbs wrote:


Oct 14, 2021 -- 3:07PM, 1955nyyfan wrote:


Oct 14, 2021 -- 3:03PM, bumper wrote:


this season's payroll restrictions was about 2 things. one was to reset the LT. mission accomplished. two, was covid. fans don't wanna hear it but they lost a lot of money due to no fans last year and with more uncertainity again & full capacity not allowed until mid-june, they tempered their spending this year.


with the LT reset and back to normal seating, we should see them spend more. contrary to popular "thought", hal wants a winner. like it or not, he spent buckets on stanton and 2 years ago, even more ridiculous money on cole. as misguided as it turned out, both of those moves were supposed to bring a championship. last year he signed DJ. he spends. don't think he's gonna go crazy because seeing what the rays do with a third of the money has to drive him crazy.




agree, plus there is a lot of money tied up in Gallo  Sanchez and Voit. Who knows if any or all of them will be back. 




So we agree Hal won't go crazy with the spending, then how are we going to improve when were already sitting at 220 million?


It has to be mostly thru trades right. Unless you dump some contracts to clear space for a free agent.




i did say "we should see them spend more", just don't think he'd go $300 mil crazy. it's been proven, spending like crazy doesn't solve anything other than placate an entitled fan base. think we could see $240-50 mil. that should be more than enough along with some smart trading and getting rid of the dead wood. and if it takes more than a season to get there, so be it. rather see a team built to last and self-sustaining like the astros or rays rather than a band-aid.


  




    The problem is that the LT rate increases each year you stay over the cap. When you sign or take on super long deals, time is not your ally.  



realize that. they reset it a few years ago only to blast through it. perhaps he'll do it again. as i said, this year there were extenuating circumstances due to covid.


if i owned a team, paying an LT tax that supports small market teams who then go on to beat me would drive me crazy. there's a way to do this w/o signing the most expensive players every year by having a constant stream of talent in the system that you then augment w smart FA signings. it's not a short term fix and hasn't been the yankee way but if they just go and band-aid it by signing semien, marte etc, they're just kicking the can down the road.

2 months ago  ::  Oct 14, 2021 - 10:24PM #10
Paterson
Posts: 7,340

Oct 14, 2021 -- 7:48PM, bumper wrote:


Oct 14, 2021 -- 7:20PM, Paterson wrote:


Oct 14, 2021 -- 4:51PM, bumper wrote:


Oct 14, 2021 -- 3:31PM, Hobbs wrote:


Oct 14, 2021 -- 3:07PM, 1955nyyfan wrote:


Oct 14, 2021 -- 3:03PM, bumper wrote:


this season's payroll restrictions was about 2 things. one was to reset the LT. mission accomplished. two, was covid. fans don't wanna hear it but they lost a lot of money due to no fans last year and with more uncertainity again & full capacity not allowed until mid-june, they tempered their spending this year.


with the LT reset and back to normal seating, we should see them spend more. contrary to popular "thought", hal wants a winner. like it or not, he spent buckets on stanton and 2 years ago, even more ridiculous money on cole. as misguided as it turned out, both of those moves were supposed to bring a championship. last year he signed DJ. he spends. don't think he's gonna go crazy because seeing what the rays do with a third of the money has to drive him crazy.




agree, plus there is a lot of money tied up in Gallo  Sanchez and Voit. Who knows if any or all of them will be back. 




So we agree Hal won't go crazy with the spending, then how are we going to improve when were already sitting at 220 million?


It has to be mostly thru trades right. Unless you dump some contracts to clear space for a free agent.




i did say "we should see them spend more", just don't think he'd go $300 mil crazy. it's been proven, spending like crazy doesn't solve anything other than placate an entitled fan base. think we could see $240-50 mil. that should be more than enough along with some smart trading and getting rid of the dead wood. and if it takes more than a season to get there, so be it. rather see a team built to last and self-sustaining like the astros or rays rather than a band-aid.


  




    The problem is that the LT rate increases each year you stay over the cap. When you sign or take on super long deals, time is not your ally.  



realize that. they reset it a few years ago only to blast through it. perhaps he'll do it again. as i said, this year there were extenuating circumstances due to covid.


if i owned a team, paying an LT tax that supports small market teams who then go on to beat me would drive me crazy. there's a way to do this w/o signing the most expensive players every year by having a constant stream of talent in the system that you then augment w smart FA signings. it's not a short term fix and hasn't been the yankee way but if they just go and band-aid it by signing semien, marte etc, they're just kicking the can down the road.




    Cashman played his hand when he signed Cole to that MEGA deal. He does not have much room to sign a big free agent if he hopes to keep Judge after '21. The next bargaining agreement could change the landscape, but right now the Yankees are not in a good position salary wise. 


    

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