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3 months ago  ::  Oct 15, 2021 - 6:51PM #31
newinn
Posts: 38,076

Oct 15, 2021 -- 4:54PM, Rob wrote:


I posted ti Jon's redundant thread that Nevin's blunders were right there during games for eveyrone to see, but that we never see Thames' work.   For the past 3 years they were one of the top offensive teams in the AL. 


Did Thames suddenly change everyone's apporachto to turn them into a less than mediocre ofensive team?  Who knows.  We fans never get to see what Thames and the other hitting coach are doing.


Not saying Thames shouldn't have been fired.  Maybe it simply is time for a new voice because the players aren't listening to what he is trying to teach.  But if he is to blame for 2021's offfensive malaise, he ought to get a lot of credit for how well they hit in previous years.




Been saying for 15 years that no one here has a clue as to whether or not the hitting or pitching coaches are any good or for that matter what they even do. 

3 months ago  ::  Oct 15, 2021 - 7:36PM #32
SSBob
Posts: 9,379

Oct 15, 2021 -- 6:51PM, newinn wrote:


Oct 15, 2021 -- 4:54PM, Rob wrote:


I posted ti Jon's redundant thread that Nevin's blunders were right there during games for eveyrone to see, but that we never see Thames' work.   For the past 3 years they were one of the top offensive teams in the AL. 


Did Thames suddenly change everyone's apporachto to turn them into a less than mediocre ofensive team?  Who knows.  We fans never get to see what Thames and the other hitting coach are doing.


Not saying Thames shouldn't have been fired.  Maybe it simply is time for a new voice because the players aren't listening to what he is trying to teach.  But if he is to blame for 2021's offfensive malaise, he ought to get a lot of credit for how well they hit in previous years.




Been saying for 15 years that no one here has a clue as to whether or not the hitting or pitching coaches are any good or for that matter what they even do. 




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Pretty sure the job of a hitting coach is to identify flaws in a hitter’s approach and offer remedies. Of course, that’s a lot more difficult at the ML level…most players on any ML team roster wouldn’t be there if they hadn’t been good hitters to that point. ML teams don’t spend Million$$$ drafting players who’ve shown they can’t hit at the high school or college level.


Anyone who’s played the game knows how difficult hitting is. All of us, including myself, watch the game on TV and ask ourselves…“how could he swing at (or take) that pitch?”. It’s not at all unique to Yankee hitters…you’ll see good hitters across the league do the same.


Sit behind home plate at field level to experience just a bit of what ML hitters see.




3 months ago  ::  Oct 15, 2021 - 7:56PM #33
bruner4329
Posts: 4,332

You could bring in a .400 lifetime average hitter in here and it wouldn't make a difference. None of us are pros but it didn't take an Einstein to figure out what these players were doing wrong. Guys like Voit swinging for the fences and off balance all the time. Torres pulling off on the ball, Sanchez with his leg kick before corrected and so on and so on. These guys are pre molded. If they really wanted to change some could. I mean with this freakin shift all some guys needed to do was go the other way. These guys are professionals and can if they want to but in some cases they just don't want to do it and instead try to hit the 500 ft homer.

3 months ago  ::  Oct 15, 2021 - 8:08PM #34
SSBob
Posts: 9,379

Oct 15, 2021 -- 7:56PM, bruner4329 wrote:


...with this freakin shift all some guys needed to do was go the other way. These guys are professionals and can if they want to but in some cases they just don't want to do it and instead try to hit the 500 ft homer.




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"Going the other way" isn't anywhere near as easy as it sounds for many hitters. Pitchers pitch to the shift, and guys like Sanchez and Voit aren't adept bat handlers...never have been, never will be.

3 months ago  ::  Oct 15, 2021 - 8:22PM #35
newinn
Posts: 38,076

going the other way is not an organizational philosophy. Neither is bunting, neither is shortening up on the bat with two strikes. Neither is hit and runs nor stealing with guys like Stanton on deck. They built what they consider to be a power lineup and expect these guys to hit home runs. 


Bob nailed it when he said pitchers usually pitch to the shift. Not sure they do it so much with the Yankees because the hitters that teams shift on are expected to hit the ball over the shift and over the fence. Those are organizationl philosophies.

3 months ago  ::  Oct 15, 2021 - 8:33PM #36
El Guapo
Posts: 295
Nobody should ever question my knowledge of the game!  I know about pitching coaches, hitting coaches, third base coaches, bench coaches, and going the other way.  I don't know anything about going BOTH ways though!
3 months ago  ::  Oct 15, 2021 - 8:35PM #37
newinn
Posts: 38,076

Oct 15, 2021 -- 8:33PM, El Guapo wrote:

Nobody should ever question my knowledge of the game! I know about pitching coaches, hitting coaches, third base coaches, bench coaches, and going the other way. I don't know anything about going BOTH ways though!



Please accept my apologies. I should have pointed out that my post applied to all but you.Laughing

3 months ago  ::  Oct 15, 2021 - 8:35PM #38
Rob
Posts: 2,015

Oct 15, 2021 -- 6:51PM, newinn wrote:


Oct 15, 2021 -- 4:54PM, Rob wrote:


I posted ti Jon's redundant thread that Nevin's blunders were right there during games for eveyrone to see, but that we never see Thames' work.   For the past 3 years they were one of the top offensive teams in the AL. 


Did Thames suddenly change everyone's apporachto to turn them into a less than mediocre ofensive team?  Who knows.  We fans never get to see what Thames and the other hitting coach are doing.


Not saying Thames shouldn't have been fired.  Maybe it simply is time for a new voice because the players aren't listening to what he is trying to teach.  But if he is to blame for 2021's offfensive malaise, he ought to get a lot of credit for how well they hit in previous years.




Been saying for 15 years that no one here has a clue as to whether or not the hitting or pitching coaches are any good or for that matter what they even do. 




Right.  We see the in game moves by the manager that backfire and the bad sends from 3B but we don't see what pitching or hitting coaches do.  And their work is judged solely by what others (the players) do, or don't do, on the field.  Somehow Thames was brillaint from 2018-2020 but turned into a pumkin in 2021.

3 months ago  ::  Oct 15, 2021 - 8:38PM #39
newinn
Posts: 38,076

Oct 15, 2021 -- 7:36PM, SSBob wrote:


Oct 15, 2021 -- 6:51PM, newinn wrote:


Oct 15, 2021 -- 4:54PM, Rob wrote:


I posted ti Jon's redundant thread that Nevin's blunders were right there during games for eveyrone to see, but that we never see Thames' work.   For the past 3 years they were one of the top offensive teams in the AL. 


Did Thames suddenly change everyone's apporachto to turn them into a less than mediocre ofensive team?  Who knows.  We fans never get to see what Thames and the other hitting coach are doing.


Not saying Thames shouldn't have been fired.  Maybe it simply is time for a new voice because the players aren't listening to what he is trying to teach.  But if he is to blame for 2021's offfensive malaise, he ought to get a lot of credit for how well they hit in previous years.




Been saying for 15 years that no one here has a clue as to whether or not the hitting or pitching coaches are any good or for that matter what they even do. 




~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


Pretty sure the job of a hitting coach is to identify flaws in a hitter’s approach and offer remedies. Of course, that’s a lot more difficult at the ML level…most players on any ML team roster wouldn’t be there if they hadn’t been good hitters to that point. ML teams don’t spend Million$$$ drafting players who’ve shown they can’t hit at the high school or college level.


Anyone who’s played the game knows how difficult hitting is. All of us, including myself, watch the game on TV and ask ourselves…“how could he swing at (or take) that pitch?”. It’s not at all unique to Yankee hitters…you’ll see good hitters across the league do the same.


Sit behind home plate at field level to experience just a bit of what ML hitters see.







What I should have said is that we have no idea how effective coaches are in their job. 

3 months ago  ::  Oct 15, 2021 - 8:39PM #40
newinn
Posts: 38,076

Oct 15, 2021 -- 8:35PM, Rob wrote:


Oct 15, 2021 -- 6:51PM, newinn wrote:


Oct 15, 2021 -- 4:54PM, Rob wrote:


I posted ti Jon's redundant thread that Nevin's blunders were right there during games for eveyrone to see, but that we never see Thames' work.   For the past 3 years they were one of the top offensive teams in the AL. 


Did Thames suddenly change everyone's apporachto to turn them into a less than mediocre ofensive team?  Who knows.  We fans never get to see what Thames and the other hitting coach are doing.


Not saying Thames shouldn't have been fired.  Maybe it simply is time for a new voice because the players aren't listening to what he is trying to teach.  But if he is to blame for 2021's offfensive malaise, he ought to get a lot of credit for how well they hit in previous years.




Been saying for 15 years that no one here has a clue as to whether or not the hitting or pitching coaches are any good or for that matter what they even do. 




Right.  We see the in game moves by the manager that backfire and the bad sends from 3B but we don't see what pitching or hitting coaches do.  And their work is judged solely by what others (the players) do, or don't do, on the field.  Somehow Thames was brillaint from 2018-2020 but turned into a pumkin in 2021.




Thank you Rob. You expressed my thoughts far better then I did.

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