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Yankees 3B coach Phil Nevin let go after costly Wild Card blunder
4 months ago  ::  Oct 16, 2021 - 10:03AM #11
NW
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Oct 15, 2021 -- 3:19PM, Max wrote:


Hire Homer Bush. He didn't play much, but in my opinion he showed good judgment when he was on the base paths and played good fundamental baseball.




I honestly have no idea what Bush is doing these days but I know he quit baseball due to injuries, specifically his hip.  I'm not sure an on-field position would be something he'd want.


Your post, however, does bring out an important need for a 3rd base coach.  It used to be, before the bench coach, that someone worked his way up to 3rd base coach because he was a manager-in-waiting.  Honestly, you need someone with good baseball sense and knowledge but good judgment on the basepaths doesn't always translate to having good judgment for 13 or 14 other guys and their abilities.  I think if I were looking for a 3rd base coach, I'd have to look through a lot of tape to even see who I'd want to interview.

4 months ago  ::  Oct 17, 2021 - 11:09AM #12
Rob
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A minor point that doesn't excuse the many times Yankee runners were thrown out by substantial margins at home plate after being sent by Nevin, but some of those outs were "going on contact" with the INF drawn in.  That call is made by the manager.

4 months ago  ::  Oct 17, 2021 - 11:43AM #13
bumper
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Oct 17, 2021 -- 11:09AM, Rob wrote:


A minor point that doesn't excuse the many times Yankee runners were thrown out by substantial margins at home plate after being sent by Nevin, but some of those outs were "going on contact" with the INF drawn in.  That call is made by the manager.




some folks here don't know the difference between "going on contact" and a bad send. with the team's lack of situational hitting w risp, both the manager and the coaches were very agressive trying to get a run anyway they could resulting in a lot of runners thrown out.


fine w nevin being canned but on the judge play with gallo due up, "understand" why nevin sent him, gambling on the sox having to execute perfectly. they did and judge was out by a lot. interestingly think in the next game (sox vs astros alds), a similar play came up and hernandez fumbled the exchange and the runner scored from 1st.

4 months ago  ::  Oct 17, 2021 - 12:24PM #14
Paterson
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Oct 17, 2021 -- 11:43AM, bumper wrote:


Oct 17, 2021 -- 11:09AM, Rob wrote:


A minor point that doesn't excuse the many times Yankee runners were thrown out by substantial margins at home plate after being sent by Nevin, but some of those outs were "going on contact" with the INF drawn in.  That call is made by the manager.




some folks here don't know the difference between "going on contact" and a bad send. with the team's lack of situational hitting w risp, both the manager and the coaches were very agressive trying to get a run anyway they could resulting in a lot of runners thrown out.


fine w nevin being canned but on the judge play with gallo due up, "understand" why nevin sent him, gambling on the sox having to execute perfectly. they did and judge was out by a lot. interestingly think in the next game (sox vs astros alds), a similar play came up and hernandez fumbled the exchange and the runner scored from 1st.




  Maybe I am misrembering...as a former Yankee once said. Weren't the Yankees down by 2 runs ?    Didn't they still need for Gallo to produce ?   Maybe if the game were tied I could accept the send.  

4 months ago  ::  Oct 17, 2021 - 6:46PM #15
bumper
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Oct 17, 2021 -- 12:24PM, Paterson wrote:


Oct 17, 2021 -- 11:43AM, bumper wrote:


Oct 17, 2021 -- 11:09AM, Rob wrote:


A minor point that doesn't excuse the many times Yankee runners were thrown out by substantial margins at home plate after being sent by Nevin, but some of those outs were "going on contact" with the INF drawn in.  That call is made by the manager.




some folks here don't know the difference between "going on contact" and a bad send. with the team's lack of situational hitting w risp, both the manager and the coaches were very agressive trying to get a run anyway they could resulting in a lot of runners thrown out.


fine w nevin being canned but on the judge play with gallo due up, "understand" why nevin sent him, gambling on the sox having to execute perfectly. they did and judge was out by a lot. interestingly think in the next game (sox vs astros alds), a similar play came up and hernandez fumbled the exchange and the runner scored from 1st.




  Maybe I am misrembering...as a former Yankee once said. Weren't the Yankees down by 2 runs ?    Didn't they still need for Gallo to produce ?   Maybe if the game were tied I could accept the send.  




not saying it was a good or the right call, just saying that maybe nevin was over aggressive due to the team's season long failure to drive in runs and K gallo coming up. any off-line throw or bobble and judge is safe. a gamble yes and the sox executed to perfection.

4 months ago  ::  Oct 17, 2021 - 6:51PM #16
1955nyyfan
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Bumper, I usually agree with you and while I believe the Yankees inability to score from 3rd as you say may have influenced the decision it was a terrible decision. It wasn't like it was a close play, the Sox, IMO didnt have to make a perfect play and he still would have been out. I guess I'll have to go back and look at it again but I don't remember it being that tough of a play. I thought they executed well, but thats what good teams are suppose to do.
4 months ago  ::  Oct 17, 2021 - 7:04PM #17
bumper
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Oct 17, 2021 -- 6:51PM, 1955nyyfan wrote:

Bumper, I usually agree with you and while I believe the Yankees inability to score from 3rd as you say may have influenced the decision it was a terrible decision. It wasn't like it was a close play, the Sox, IMO didnt have to make a perfect play and he still would have been out. I guess I'll have to go back and look at it again but I don't remember it being that tough of a play. I thought they executed well, but thats what good teams are suppose to do.



think i said it wasn't a good or the right call, just that "perhaps", and nevin wouldn't never admit to it, he was influenced by the team's inability to score. doesn't excuse nevin or make the play better.

4 months ago  ::  Oct 17, 2021 - 7:30PM #18
SSBob
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I didn't think it was a horrible call by Nevin at the time and now, with 20-20 hindsight, still don't.


And Judge wasn't out by 30 feet, as has been said.

4 months ago  ::  Oct 17, 2021 - 9:28PM #19
JudgeandYankees
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Oct 17, 2021 -- 7:30PM, SSBob wrote:


I didn't think it was a horrible call by Nevin at the time and now, with 20-20 hindsight, still don't.


And Judge wasn't out by 30 feet, as has been said.




The play wasn't bang bang, he was out by a decent margin, it was a terrible send but we also shouldn't have a terrible hitter batting 4th as well.

4 months ago  ::  Oct 17, 2021 - 9:46PM #20
Paterson
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Oct 17, 2021 -- 9:28PM, JudgeandYankees wrote:


Oct 17, 2021 -- 7:30PM, SSBob wrote:


I didn't think it was a horrible call by Nevin at the time and now, with 20-20 hindsight, still don't.


And Judge wasn't out by 30 feet, as has been said.




The play wasn't bang bang, he was out by a decent margin, it was a terrible send but we also shouldn't have a terrible hitter batting 4th as well.




    When Gallo is bad...he is really bad. When guys who are all or nothing are in a slump, they sap the energy from a lineup. I know that over the course of 162 games there are times Gallo delivers, but he was a bust for the Yankees in 2021. However the manager wrote in his name at #4. The coach has to treat him like a cleanup hitter. The third base coach shouldn't be letting his evaluation of the quality of the batter overrule the manager's evaluation. 

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