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4 months ago  ::  Oct 18, 2021 - 9:30AM #21
SSBob
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Braves 3B coach Ron Washington made the same aggressive call on 2 very similar plays/situations in last night’s game vs the Dodgers…back-to-back. Both runners scored, tying the game in the bottom of the 8th. Braves went on to win in the 9th…on a very hard hit ball up-the-middle that got by SS Seager, who was playing on the 2B side of the bag. Guess that’s how to beat the shift.

4 months ago  ::  Oct 18, 2021 - 9:37AM #22
bumper
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Oct 18, 2021 -- 9:30AM, SSBob wrote:


Braves 3B coach Ron Washington made the same aggressive call on 2 very similar plays/situations in last night’s game vs the Dodgers…back-to-back. Both runners scored, tying the game in the bottom of the 8th. Braves went on to win in the 9th…on a very hard hit ball up-the-middle that got by SS Seager, who was playing on the 2B side of the bag. Guess that’s how to beat the shift.




beat me to it. him sending rosario on that bloop to right for the 1st run was very risky. and the play before that, rosario's out at 2nd on freeman's fly to left with a good throw. yup some high wire running by the braves wins it. when it works you're a hero, when it doesn't ...

4 months ago  ::  Oct 18, 2021 - 9:45AM #23
SSBob
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Oct 18, 2021 -- 9:37AM, bumper wrote:


Oct 18, 2021 -- 9:30AM, SSBob wrote:


Braves 3B coach Ron Washington made the same aggressive call on 2 very similar plays/situations in last night’s game vs the Dodgers…back-to-back. Both runners scored, tying the game in the bottom of the 8th. Braves went on to win in the 9th…on a very hard hit ball up-the-middle that got by SS Seager, who was playing on the 2B side of the bag. Guess that’s how to beat the shift.




beat me to it. him sending rosario on that bloop to right for the 1st run was very risky. and the play before that, rosario's out at 2nd on freeman's fly to left with a good throw. yup some high wire running by the braves wins it. when it works you're a hero, when it doesn't ...




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Yep. Very risky and against "the book" for Rosario to take 2B on Freeman's flyball. Great slide at the plate by Rosario. Albies would've been out had Smith hung on to the ball...very tough play at the plate.

4 months ago  ::  Oct 18, 2021 - 10:04AM #24
Paterson
Posts: 7,379

Oct 18, 2021 -- 9:30AM, SSBob wrote:


Braves 3B coach Ron Washington made the same aggressive call on 2 very similar plays/situations in last night’s game vs the Dodgers…back-to-back. Both runners scored, tying the game in the bottom of the 8th. Braves went on to win in the 9th…on a very hard hit ball up-the-middle that got by SS Seager, who was playing on the 2B side of the bag. Guess that’s how to beat the shift.




    What do you think the Red Sox defensive postiioning would have been with Gallo at the plate and runners at 1st and 3rd ?  


   

4 months ago  ::  Oct 18, 2021 - 10:06AM #25
Paterson
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Oct 18, 2021 -- 9:37AM, bumper wrote:


Oct 18, 2021 -- 9:30AM, SSBob wrote:


Braves 3B coach Ron Washington made the same aggressive call on 2 very similar plays/situations in last night’s game vs the Dodgers…back-to-back. Both runners scored, tying the game in the bottom of the 8th. Braves went on to win in the 9th…on a very hard hit ball up-the-middle that got by SS Seager, who was playing on the 2B side of the bag. Guess that’s how to beat the shift.




beat me to it. him sending rosario on that bloop to right for the 1st run was very risky. and the play before that, rosario's out at 2nd on freeman's fly to left with a good throw. yup some high wire running by the braves wins it. when it works you're a hero, when it doesn't ...




    Same question I posed to SSBob....    Where would Red Sox infielders have been with Gallo up and runners at 1st and 3rd ?   

4 months ago  ::  Oct 18, 2021 - 10:15AM #26
SSBob
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Oct 18, 2021 -- 10:04AM, Paterson wrote:


Oct 18, 2021 -- 9:30AM, SSBob wrote:


Braves 3B coach Ron Washington made the same aggressive call on 2 very similar plays/situations in last night’s game vs the Dodgers…back-to-back. Both runners scored, tying the game in the bottom of the 8th. Braves went on to win in the 9th…on a very hard hit ball up-the-middle that got by SS Seager, who was playing on the 2B side of the bag. Guess that’s how to beat the shift.




    What do you think the Red Sox defensive postiioning would have been with Gallo at the plate and runners at 1st and 3rd ?     




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Relevance? Rosario's hit in the 9th had nothing to do with him & Albies scoring in the 8th.

4 months ago  ::  Oct 18, 2021 - 10:51AM #27
Paterson
Posts: 7,379

Oct 18, 2021 -- 10:15AM, SSBob wrote:


Oct 18, 2021 -- 10:04AM, Paterson wrote:


Oct 18, 2021 -- 9:30AM, SSBob wrote:


Braves 3B coach Ron Washington made the same aggressive call on 2 very similar plays/situations in last night’s game vs the Dodgers…back-to-back. Both runners scored, tying the game in the bottom of the 8th. Braves went on to win in the 9th…on a very hard hit ball up-the-middle that got by SS Seager, who was playing on the 2B side of the bag. Guess that’s how to beat the shift.




    What do you think the Red Sox defensive postiioning would have been with Gallo at the plate and runners at 1st and 3rd ?     




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Relevance? Rosario's hit in the 9th had nothing to do with him & Albies scoring in the 8th.




    The thread is about Nevin. I read your post and its reference to Washington as an endorsement of aggressive actions by 3rd base coaches - maybe about how base running thwarts shifts defenses. Did I read too much into it ?  

4 months ago  ::  Oct 18, 2021 - 11:07AM #28
SSBob
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Oct 18, 2021 -- 10:51AM, Paterson wrote:


Oct 18, 2021 -- 10:15AM, SSBob wrote:


Oct 18, 2021 -- 10:04AM, Paterson wrote:


Oct 18, 2021 -- 9:30AM, SSBob wrote:


Braves 3B coach Ron Washington made the same aggressive call on 2 very similar plays/situations in last night’s game vs the Dodgers…back-to-back. Both runners scored, tying the game in the bottom of the 8th. Braves went on to win in the 9th…on a very hard hit ball up-the-middle that got by SS Seager, who was playing on the 2B side of the bag. Guess that’s how to beat the shift.




    What do you think the Red Sox defensive postiioning would have been with Gallo at the plate and runners at 1st and 3rd ?     




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Relevance? Rosario's hit in the 9th had nothing to do with him & Albies scoring in the 8th.




    The thread is about Nevin. I read your post and its reference to Washington as an endorsement of aggressive actions by 3rd base coaches - maybe about how base running thwarts shifts defenses. Did I read too much into it ?  




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My reference to Washington & agressive baserunning in the 8th had nothing to do with defensive positioning. The reference to beating the shift had to do with what happened in the 9th, when the Dodgers had shifted on Rosario. Rosario hit a bullet up-the-middle which Seagar (SS) tried to backhand, as he had shifted to the 2B side of the bag. Don't know if he would've made the play had he been positioned on the SS side of the bag, but I do know the chances of making that play or at least knocking it down are better had it been to his glove side. Just a bit of poetic justice.

4 months ago  ::  Oct 18, 2021 - 11:27AM #29
Paterson
Posts: 7,379

Oct 18, 2021 -- 11:07AM, SSBob wrote:


Oct 18, 2021 -- 10:51AM, Paterson wrote:


Oct 18, 2021 -- 10:15AM, SSBob wrote:


Oct 18, 2021 -- 10:04AM, Paterson wrote:


Oct 18, 2021 -- 9:30AM, SSBob wrote:


Braves 3B coach Ron Washington made the same aggressive call on 2 very similar plays/situations in last night’s game vs the Dodgers…back-to-back. Both runners scored, tying the game in the bottom of the 8th. Braves went on to win in the 9th…on a very hard hit ball up-the-middle that got by SS Seager, who was playing on the 2B side of the bag. Guess that’s how to beat the shift.




    What do you think the Red Sox defensive postiioning would have been with Gallo at the plate and runners at 1st and 3rd ?     




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Relevance? Rosario's hit in the 9th had nothing to do with him & Albies scoring in the 8th.




    The thread is about Nevin. I read your post and its reference to Washington as an endorsement of aggressive actions by 3rd base coaches - maybe about how base running thwarts shifts defenses. Did I read too much into it ?  




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My reference to Washington & agressive baserunning in the 8th had nothing to do with defensive positioning. The reference to beating the shift had to do with what happened in the 9th, when the Dodgers had shifted on Rosario. Rosario hit a bullet up-the-middle which Seagar (SS) tried to backhand, as he had shifted to the 2B side of the bag. Don't know if he would've made the play had he been positioned on the SS side of the bag, but I do know the chances of making that play or at least knocking it down are better had it been to his glove side. Just a bit of poetic justice.




    Your comments made me think - and ask about - what the Red Sox might have done if faced with runners on 1st and 3rd, one out and Gallo at the plate.  That is why I put the last sentence in bold. Teams played Gallo with an exagerrated shift and 2) We know the guy can bunt. With a SS playing  far off 3rd the bag a bunt could easily have scored a run and left the Yankees with two runners on and just one out. If the RS played a more conventional defense, Gallo's chances for getting a hit go way up. 


    I've grown to hate the shfits. I am happy if the shift cost the Dodgers the game...or even more. And I am still fuming over losing the WC to the Red Sox. 

4 months ago  ::  Oct 18, 2021 - 11:57AM #30
SSBob
Posts: 9,405

Oct 18, 2021 -- 11:27AM, Paterson wrote:


    Your comments made me think - and ask about - what the Red Sox might have done if faced with runners on 1st and 3rd, one out and Gallo at the plate.  That is why I put the last sentence in bold. Teams played Gallo with an exagerrated shift and 2) We know the guy can bunt. With a SS playing  far off 3rd the bag a bunt could easily have scored a run and left the Yankees with two runners on and just one out. If the RS played a more conventional defense, Gallo's chances for getting a hit go way up. 


    I've grown to hate the shfits. I am happy if the shift cost the Dodgers the game...or even more. And I am still fuming over losing the WC to the Red Sox. 




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If the Red Sox had shifted on Gallo as they normally do he could've easily laid down a bunt which would've scored Judge. But even if they did, my guess is Yanks still would've looked for at least a sac fly from him which, oddly enough, he's only done twice in his career. But I wouldn't say his chances of getting a hit would go up if they played him straight away. More likely a K.


My original point was the Braves might not have had the opportunity to win the game in the 9th had it not been for agressive baserunning in the 8th. As has been said...when it works you're a hero, when it doesn't you're a goat.

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