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Yanks on getting a true SS
3 months ago  ::  Oct 17, 2021 - 9:57PM #31
Paterson
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Oct 17, 2021 -- 9:38PM, JudgeandYankees wrote:


Oct 16, 2021 -- 11:34PM, Paterson wrote:


Oct 16, 2021 -- 11:17PM, manbot wrote:


Oct 16, 2021 -- 5:48PM, Paterson wrote:


Oct 16, 2021 -- 4:41PM, dixieyank wrote:


Oct 16, 2021 -- 4:07PM, Paterson wrote:



    the Yankees will sign a big $$$ SS this offseason becuause it will placate the fans much like the signing of Cole placated everyone a couple of years ago. A smart organization would use the resources they have, lock up Judge for the next four seasons and try to find an upgrade at catcher. 




OR, they will sign one of the top tier SS available, in a rare year where that happens, because prospects are suspects, and getting a top tier guy where you are weak is a good decision to help improve.


As for Judge, they can buy out next year's arb and offer him a 4 or 5 year, top dollar deal, and he might take it. Otherwise, he's smart to take his chances and play the FA market after next year, since it's literally his one shot at a big contract.


Catcher? Only if they can find one in trade, as there isn't much availible that improves them from what they have.


TL;DR   I think your post is completely off base. Sorry.




    No problem with the comment. That is what makes for a good conversation.


Let me start with the comment about our catcher. Don't you find it at least a little disturbing that our $324 M ACE refuses to pitch to him ?   Sanchez is who he is after 5 years in the major leagues. How does every other pitcher on the staff feel about throwing to a guy who their leader has delared to be incompetent ?   I am not saying Sanchez is good or bad.  I am saying that Cole made that decision and the pitching staff all sees it. Time to move on.


Now let me move on to SS. Shortstops and starlets do not get better after age 30 ! The only free agent SS who is not there or close is Correa. The Yankees would have to offer him close to $40 M per to pry him away from Texas - a state without an income tax !   Are you ready for a second Cole sized contract. More importantly, is Steinbrenner ready ?


I think it is interesting that the starting SS for the Dodgers is Trea Turner, not Seeger. Semien had a great year, but at second. Story's numbers are adequate even with half his games at Coors. 


Propsects are not suspects. They are the currency that great teams use to acquire talent from other organizations or to fill spots on their own rosters. The sooner the Yankees accept that, the sooner they might get back to the WS.


    And again, thanks for taking the time to answer my first post !   We do not have to agree to enjoy talking.  




Don't you find it at least a little disturbing that our $324 M ACE refuses to pitch to him ?  1st This is absolute BS and Cole Himself has said it was not true. 2nd Cole no longer has the choice of who he pitches to since he sucked when it counted while picthing to Higgy. 3rd the Yankees had one of the best catching tandems in the MLB so it's really not a priority. Last year everyone was insisting that we needed to sign McCann who went on to suck as a full time catcher. Learn from that ... the grass is always greener on the othe rteams ball field 




     Higashioka started the most important game of the Yankee season. That answers everything. . 




Higashioka starting speaks volumes on how poor a catcher Sanchez is, Higgy is nothing special.




    Cole's refusal to pitch to Sanchez in the biggest game of the year on a night when Cole knew he was on a short lease put Boone in a very bad situtiaon. No manager wants to be in a game where there is even a remote chance that he will need to use his emergency catcher. Maybe Sanchez is not good, but I did not gain a lot of respect for Cole that night. 

3 months ago  ::  Oct 17, 2021 - 11:27PM #32
luvdayanks
Posts: 30,748

Oct 17, 2021 -- 9:57PM, Paterson wrote:


Oct 17, 2021 -- 9:38PM, JudgeandYankees wrote:


Oct 16, 2021 -- 11:34PM, Paterson wrote:


Oct 16, 2021 -- 11:17PM, manbot wrote:


Oct 16, 2021 -- 5:48PM, Paterson wrote:


Oct 16, 2021 -- 4:41PM, dixieyank wrote:


Oct 16, 2021 -- 4:07PM, Paterson wrote:



    the Yankees will sign a big $$$ SS this offseason becuause it will placate the fans much like the signing of Cole placated everyone a couple of years ago. A smart organization would use the resources they have, lock up Judge for the next four seasons and try to find an upgrade at catcher. 




OR, they will sign one of the top tier SS available, in a rare year where that happens, because prospects are suspects, and getting a top tier guy where you are weak is a good decision to help improve.


As for Judge, they can buy out next year's arb and offer him a 4 or 5 year, top dollar deal, and he might take it. Otherwise, he's smart to take his chances and play the FA market after next year, since it's literally his one shot at a big contract.


Catcher? Only if they can find one in trade, as there isn't much availible that improves them from what they have.


TL;DR   I think your post is completely off base. Sorry.




    No problem with the comment. That is what makes for a good conversation.


Let me start with the comment about our catcher. Don't you find it at least a little disturbing that our $324 M ACE refuses to pitch to him ?   Sanchez is who he is after 5 years in the major leagues. How does every other pitcher on the staff feel about throwing to a guy who their leader has delared to be incompetent ?   I am not saying Sanchez is good or bad.  I am saying that Cole made that decision and the pitching staff all sees it. Time to move on.


Now let me move on to SS. Shortstops and starlets do not get better after age 30 ! The only free agent SS who is not there or close is Correa. The Yankees would have to offer him close to $40 M per to pry him away from Texas - a state without an income tax !   Are you ready for a second Cole sized contract. More importantly, is Steinbrenner ready ?


I think it is interesting that the starting SS for the Dodgers is Trea Turner, not Seeger. Semien had a great year, but at second. Story's numbers are adequate even with half his games at Coors. 


Propsects are not suspects. They are the currency that great teams use to acquire talent from other organizations or to fill spots on their own rosters. The sooner the Yankees accept that, the sooner they might get back to the WS.


    And again, thanks for taking the time to answer my first post !   We do not have to agree to enjoy talking.  




Don't you find it at least a little disturbing that our $324 M ACE refuses to pitch to him ?  1st This is absolute BS and Cole Himself has said it was not true. 2nd Cole no longer has the choice of who he pitches to since he sucked when it counted while picthing to Higgy. 3rd the Yankees had one of the best catching tandems in the MLB so it's really not a priority. Last year everyone was insisting that we needed to sign McCann who went on to suck as a full time catcher. Learn from that ... the grass is always greener on the othe rteams ball field 




     Higashioka started the most important game of the Yankee season. That answers everything. . 




Higashioka starting speaks volumes on how poor a catcher Sanchez is, Higgy is nothing special.




    Cole's refusal to pitch to Sanchez in the biggest game of the year on a night when Cole knew he was on a short lease put Boone in a very bad situtiaon. No manager wants to be in a game where there is even a remote chance that he will need to use his emergency catcher. Maybe Sanchez is not good, but I did not gain a lot of respect for Cole that night. 




I've never seen or heard Cole REFUSES to pitch to Sanchez. As a matter of fact I once heard him say he didn't care who he pitched to. Now that may be lip service but i doubt he refused.

3 months ago  ::  Oct 18, 2021 - 10:12AM #33
Paterson
Posts: 7,379

Oct 17, 2021 -- 11:27PM, luvdayanks wrote:


Oct 17, 2021 -- 9:57PM, Paterson wrote:


Oct 17, 2021 -- 9:38PM, JudgeandYankees wrote:


Oct 16, 2021 -- 11:34PM, Paterson wrote:


Oct 16, 2021 -- 11:17PM, manbot wrote:


Oct 16, 2021 -- 5:48PM, Paterson wrote:


Oct 16, 2021 -- 4:41PM, dixieyank wrote:


Oct 16, 2021 -- 4:07PM, Paterson wrote:



    the Yankees will sign a big $$$ SS this offseason becuause it will placate the fans much like the signing of Cole placated everyone a couple of years ago. A smart organization would use the resources they have, lock up Judge for the next four seasons and try to find an upgrade at catcher. 




OR, they will sign one of the top tier SS available, in a rare year where that happens, because prospects are suspects, and getting a top tier guy where you are weak is a good decision to help improve.


As for Judge, they can buy out next year's arb and offer him a 4 or 5 year, top dollar deal, and he might take it. Otherwise, he's smart to take his chances and play the FA market after next year, since it's literally his one shot at a big contract.


Catcher? Only if they can find one in trade, as there isn't much availible that improves them from what they have.


TL;DR   I think your post is completely off base. Sorry.




    No problem with the comment. That is what makes for a good conversation.


Let me start with the comment about our catcher. Don't you find it at least a little disturbing that our $324 M ACE refuses to pitch to him ?   Sanchez is who he is after 5 years in the major leagues. How does every other pitcher on the staff feel about throwing to a guy who their leader has delared to be incompetent ?   I am not saying Sanchez is good or bad.  I am saying that Cole made that decision and the pitching staff all sees it. Time to move on.


Now let me move on to SS. Shortstops and starlets do not get better after age 30 ! The only free agent SS who is not there or close is Correa. The Yankees would have to offer him close to $40 M per to pry him away from Texas - a state without an income tax !   Are you ready for a second Cole sized contract. More importantly, is Steinbrenner ready ?


I think it is interesting that the starting SS for the Dodgers is Trea Turner, not Seeger. Semien had a great year, but at second. Story's numbers are adequate even with half his games at Coors. 


Propsects are not suspects. They are the currency that great teams use to acquire talent from other organizations or to fill spots on their own rosters. The sooner the Yankees accept that, the sooner they might get back to the WS.


    And again, thanks for taking the time to answer my first post !   We do not have to agree to enjoy talking.  




Don't you find it at least a little disturbing that our $324 M ACE refuses to pitch to him ?  1st This is absolute BS and Cole Himself has said it was not true. 2nd Cole no longer has the choice of who he pitches to since he sucked when it counted while picthing to Higgy. 3rd the Yankees had one of the best catching tandems in the MLB so it's really not a priority. Last year everyone was insisting that we needed to sign McCann who went on to suck as a full time catcher. Learn from that ... the grass is always greener on the othe rteams ball field 




     Higashioka started the most important game of the Yankee season. That answers everything. . 




Higashioka starting speaks volumes on how poor a catcher Sanchez is, Higgy is nothing special.




    Cole's refusal to pitch to Sanchez in the biggest game of the year on a night when Cole knew he was on a short lease put Boone in a very bad situtiaon. No manager wants to be in a game where there is even a remote chance that he will need to use his emergency catcher. Maybe Sanchez is not good, but I did not gain a lot of respect for Cole that night. 




I've never seen or heard Cole REFUSES to pitch to Sanchez. As a matter of fact I once heard him say he didn't care who he pitched to. Now that may be lip service but i doubt he refused.




    We know what happened. Who made the decision ?   Boone ?  Cashman ? The annonymous "analytics team" ?   

3 months ago  ::  Oct 18, 2021 - 10:21PM #34
jimwest
Posts: 4,801

Oct 16, 2021 -- 11:04AM, xnewyorker wrote:


No need to rush any player to the major leagues.


Let him succeed in AAA and when he is ready, than he can come up.   He is closer to the majors than Volpe.




That is the typical Yankees slow motion approach. Wander Franco had little minor league experience, only a total of 40 games at AAA, but at age 20, came up and is doing just fine.


Peraza has been in the minors since 2017, has played in 274 games. That's enough time.


Let him have a chance to take the position in ST.

3 months ago  ::  Oct 18, 2021 - 10:26PM #35
jimwest
Posts: 4,801

Oct 16, 2021 -- 12:09PM, luvdayanks wrote:


Oct 16, 2021 -- 11:04AM, xnewyorker wrote:


No need to rush any player to the major leagues.


Let him succeed in AAA and when he is ready, than he can come up.   He is closer to the majors than Volpe.




Tell that to Vlad Jr , Bichette, Franco and Arozerina among others. They're all in their very early 20s and didn't get wasted in the minors. I've always said the Yankees are far too conservative with prospects and most are in the minors for 4 or 5 years and before you know it they're 27 years old. 




Spot on. I strongly agree on this point.

3 months ago  ::  Oct 20, 2021 - 5:24PM #36
yankoldfan
Posts: 11,593

Oct 18, 2021 -- 10:21PM, jimwest wrote:


Oct 16, 2021 -- 11:04AM, xnewyorker wrote:


No need to rush any player to the major leagues.


Let him succeed in AAA and when he is ready, than he can come up.   He is closer to the majors than Volpe.




That is the typical Yankees slow motion approach. Wander Franco had little minor league experience, only a total of 40 games at AAA, but at age 20, came up and is doing just fine.


Peraza has been in the minors since 2017, has played in 274 games. That's enough time.


Let him have a chance to take the position in ST.




Before blaming anyone for leaving our kids in the minors too long or bringing them up sooner than later, who do we have in the minors that's even compares to Franco ??  Just something else to think about, could Franco play in NY being how old he is ??? I think the Rays get by with bringing some of their young talent up just for the reason who and where they play, no fans in the ball park, means very little pressure...

3 months ago  ::  Oct 21, 2021 - 10:06AM #37
Paterson
Posts: 7,379

Oct 16, 2021 -- 6:41PM, SSBob wrote:


Oct 16, 2021 -- 6:18PM, Paterson wrote:


Oct 16, 2021 -- 5:54PM, SSBob wrote:


Oct 16, 2021 -- 5:48PM, Paterson wrote:


I think it is interesting that the starting SS for the Dodgers is Trea Turner, not Seeger. Semien had a great year, but at second. Story's numbers are adequate even with half his games at Coors. 




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Seager is the Dodgers starting SS...for now. Trea Turner has been playing 2B.




   And may he continue to be for many years to come. 




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Pretty sure Dodgers plan to move Turner to SS and Gavin Lux to 2B.





    I guess keeping Lux in center field is not an option. 

3 months ago  ::  Oct 21, 2021 - 10:20AM #38
SSBob
Posts: 9,379

Oct 21, 2021 -- 10:06AM, Paterson wrote:


Oct 16, 2021 -- 6:41PM, SSBob wrote:


Oct 16, 2021 -- 6:18PM, Paterson wrote:


Oct 16, 2021 -- 5:54PM, SSBob wrote:


Oct 16, 2021 -- 5:48PM, Paterson wrote:


I think it is interesting that the starting SS for the Dodgers is Trea Turner, not Seeger. Semien had a great year, but at second. Story's numbers are adequate even with half his games at Coors. 




~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


Seager is the Dodgers starting SS...for now. Trea Turner has been playing 2B.




   And may he continue to be for many years to come. 




~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


Pretty sure Dodgers plan to move Turner to SS and Gavin Lux to 2B.




    I guess keeping Lux in center field is not an option. 




~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


Never was considered as an option moving forward. Tough situation for a guy with very little experience in CF. As I'm sure you know, they put him out there to get his bat in the lineup. 

3 months ago  ::  Oct 21, 2021 - 10:50AM #39
Paterson
Posts: 7,379

Oct 21, 2021 -- 10:20AM, SSBob wrote:


Oct 21, 2021 -- 10:06AM, Paterson wrote:


Oct 16, 2021 -- 6:41PM, SSBob wrote:


Oct 16, 2021 -- 6:18PM, Paterson wrote:


Oct 16, 2021 -- 5:54PM, SSBob wrote:


Oct 16, 2021 -- 5:48PM, Paterson wrote:


I think it is interesting that the starting SS for the Dodgers is Trea Turner, not Seeger. Semien had a great year, but at second. Story's numbers are adequate even with half his games at Coors. 




~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


Seager is the Dodgers starting SS...for now. Trea Turner has been playing 2B.




   And may he continue to be for many years to come. 




~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


Pretty sure Dodgers plan to move Turner to SS and Gavin Lux to 2B.




    I guess keeping Lux in center field is not an option. 




~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


Never was considered as an option moving forward. Tough situation for a guy with very little experience in CF. As I'm sure you know, they put him out there to get his bat in the lineup. 




   It was a throw away comment. But the legitmate baseball point is that even standout players are very ordinary when placed out of position. Fans who want to move players around as though they were grocery store items just don't get it. They also don't appreicate the talent of those few who can give you plus defense at multiple spots on the field. 

3 months ago  ::  Oct 21, 2021 - 11:09AM #40
SSBob
Posts: 9,379

Oct 21, 2021 -- 10:50AM, Paterson wrote:


Oct 21, 2021 -- 10:20AM, SSBob wrote:


Oct 21, 2021 -- 10:06AM, Paterson wrote:


Oct 16, 2021 -- 6:41PM, SSBob wrote:


Oct 16, 2021 -- 6:18PM, Paterson wrote:


Oct 16, 2021 -- 5:54PM, SSBob wrote:


Oct 16, 2021 -- 5:48PM, Paterson wrote:


I think it is interesting that the starting SS for the Dodgers is Trea Turner, not Seeger. Semien had a great year, but at second. Story's numbers are adequate even with half his games at Coors. 




~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


Seager is the Dodgers starting SS...for now. Trea Turner has been playing 2B.




   And may he continue to be for many years to come. 




~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


Pretty sure Dodgers plan to move Turner to SS and Gavin Lux to 2B.




    I guess keeping Lux in center field is not an option. 




~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


Never was considered as an option moving forward. Tough situation for a guy with very little experience in CF. As I'm sure you know, they put him out there to get his bat in the lineup. 




   It was a throw away comment. But the legitmate baseball point is that even standout players are very ordinary when placed out of position. Fans who want to move players around as though they were grocery store items just don't get it. They also don't appreicate the talent of those few who can give you plus defense at multiple spots on the field. 




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Understood...but I don't necessarily agree re playing "out of position".


Using Lux as an example...he has very little experience playing CF. He'd probably be pretty good out there with practice & experience. Most ML players are very good athletes, and could play other positions well if they worked at it...particularly infielders moving to outfield. Chris Taylor can move around seamlessly, as we saw in last night's game. Of course, there have been and are many players who play multiple positions well. The Rays are a team with several of those types of players.

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