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Another Oakland Athletic for sale?
2 months ago  ::  Nov 26, 2021 - 6:29PM #1
Giancarlo
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Latest On The Athletics’ Offseason Approach




Ever since the Athletics let manager Bob Melvin pack his bags and go to San Diego, it has seemed like a long and dark winter is ahead for the franchise and its fans. The skipper still had one year remaining on his contract but was allowed to sign on with the Padres without compensation, as Oakland seemed content with saving the roughly $4MM he was going to make. Since then, the questions surrounding the franchise have largely been about exactly how far they will go in stripping down the roster.


In a recent piece from Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic, he relays that it is unlikely they will bottom out to such a degree that their payroll drops as low as $40MM, a level that even the low-budget Athletics haven’t seen in 20 years. While that might sound like good news to A’s fans at first, it doesn’t necessarily mean there won’t be selling, as Rosenthal reports they are still “likely to trade almost every player with value on their roster” but could then patch the holes on the club “by signing a bevy of free agents to one-year contracts.”


As to how this would work, Rosenthal points to the 2014-2015 offseason. At that time, the Athletics were coming off a third consecutive winning season, yet embarked on a massive roster overhaul that included trading away Josh DonaldsonBrandon Moss and Jeff Samardzija for prospects. This led to three straight years of basement dwelling in the AL West while acquiring big leaguers –  such as Ben ZobristRich HillRyan Madson – who would later be flipped for further prospects. Despite all of that selling, the payroll didn’t significantly drop in those losing seasons. Per Cot’s Baseball Contracts, it hovered in the vicinity of $80MM from 2014 to 2017.


As to who is expected to move, Rosenthal lists many names that have previously popped up in rumors, such as Matt OlsonMatt ChapmanSean ManaeaChris Bassitt and Frankie Montas. All of that group have been speculated to be trade chips due to their arbitration raises and shrinking team control. However, Rosenthal also says that “their available parts include even catcher Sean Murphy, who is a year away from arbitration,” and later adds that Murphy “will be a hot commodity in a market starved for catchers.” It has been certainly been noticed, including by MLBTR, that the free agent catching market in indeed weak this year, with the best option being 34-year-old Yan Gomes. Murphy, who just turned 27 and has four remaining years of control, would certainly be more appealing than any option on that list. In 182 career games so far, he has hit 28 home runs and slashed .222/.321/.431, a wRC+ of 109. When combined with his excellent defense, he’s produced 5.4 fWAR.


Jason Martinez of Roster Resource currently pegs the club’s 2022 payroll at $85MM, including arbitration estimates. Shipping out all the aforementioned players would subtract around $45MM and leave it sitting around the $40MM mark. But then, under this theoretical scenario, the club could then reallocate that money towards short-term deals for free agents.


Even if the A’s do decide to put this plan into action, it won’t be soon. As Rosenthal notes, most of their potential trading partners are preoccupied with trying to sign free agents before the CBA expires on December 1, which is widely expected to lead to a transaction freeze shortly thereafter. Despite all that, he reports that the Athletics have been “bombarded with trade interest in their players” and are “still gathering and organizing information.” That means any sell-off, whatever its eventual scope, will likely be crammed into the window between the thawing of the transaction freeze and the beginning of the 2022 season.


2 months ago  ::  Nov 26, 2021 - 6:39PM #2
Giancarlo
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Sean Murphy might be a really nice catch if the As are truly willing to deal him.    He's young, an excellent defensive catcher, and had put up a respectable 109 OPS+ so far in his 3 years in the majors.


And I feel like we may match up well to get him as the Yankee org is pretty catching prospect rich right now.   For Murphy I would pretty much give up any of the Yankee catching prospects as Murphy is just 26 and controllable.   He's not eligible for arbitration until next year, so he is a guy the Yankees can keep around for a while.


Murphy and Olson would be just what the doctor ordered.  The cost would be steep, but the Yankees could take on Pisicotty and/or Andrus, both of who they'd only have to pay for 2022 (they can both be bought out in 2023).   With a reset luxury tax penalty, I would think the Yanks will be pretty willing to spend in 2022, and I would also think the As would love to shed those two contracts (about 7.5 million each).

2 months ago  ::  Nov 26, 2021 - 10:16PM #3
JudgeandYankees
Posts: 539

Nov 26, 2021 -- 6:39PM, Giancarlo wrote:


Sean Murphy might be a really nice catch if the As are truly willing to deal him.    He's young, an excellent defensive catcher, and had put up a respectable 109 OPS+ so far in his 3 years in the majors.


And I feel like we may match up well to get him as the Yankee org is pretty catching prospect rich right now.   For Murphy I would pretty much give up any of the Yankee catching prospects as Murphy is just 26 and controllable.   He's not eligible for arbitration until next year, so he is a guy the Yankees can keep around for a while.


Murphy and Olson would be just what the doctor ordered.  The cost would be steep, but the Yankees could take on Pisicotty and/or Andrus, both of who they'd only have to pay for 2022 (they can both be bought out in 2023).   With a reset luxury tax penalty, I would think the Yanks will be pretty willing to spend in 2022, and I would also think the As would love to shed those two contracts (about 7.5 million each).




Don't see how a catcher hitting .217 is what we need, Sanchez is better than that.

2 months ago  ::  Nov 27, 2021 - 12:47AM #4
laurenfrances
Posts: 44,759

www.mlb.com/news/starling-marte-mets-dea...


Mets made a huge splash acquiring 3 players....

2 months ago  ::  Nov 27, 2021 - 6:46AM #5
hampfan
Posts: 3,690

Nov 27, 2021 -- 12:47AM, laurenfrances wrote:


www.mlb.com/news/starling-marte-mets-dea...


Mets made a huge splash acquiring 3 players....




Nothing compared with our own Cashman-active (sic) off-season--as if we didn't need a CF like Marte!

2 months ago  ::  Nov 27, 2021 - 7:18AM #6
Giancarlo
Posts: 316

Nov 27, 2021 -- 6:46AM, hampfan wrote:


Nov 27, 2021 -- 12:47AM, laurenfrances wrote:


www.mlb.com/news/starling-marte-mets-dea...


Mets made a huge splash acquiring 3 players....




Nothing compared with our own Cashman-active (sic) off-season--as if we didn't need a CF like Marte!




Mets did have to scrape the bottom of the barrel though for a GM, and have been unable to get anyone to take their POBO job - people keep turning down interviews.   Plus they lost Thor, and wanted Matz badly and lost him to the Jays.   Cohen went ballistic on Twitter about Matz's agent too.


I'll actually take Cashman and Hal over Cohen.

2 months ago  ::  Nov 27, 2021 - 7:19AM #7
Giancarlo
Posts: 316

Nov 26, 2021 -- 10:16PM, JudgeandYankees wrote:


Nov 26, 2021 -- 6:39PM, Giancarlo wrote:


Sean Murphy might be a really nice catch if the As are truly willing to deal him.    He's young, an excellent defensive catcher, and had put up a respectable 109 OPS+ so far in his 3 years in the majors.


And I feel like we may match up well to get him as the Yankee org is pretty catching prospect rich right now.   For Murphy I would pretty much give up any of the Yankee catching prospects as Murphy is just 26 and controllable.   He's not eligible for arbitration until next year, so he is a guy the Yankees can keep around for a while.


Murphy and Olson would be just what the doctor ordered.  The cost would be steep, but the Yankees could take on Pisicotty and/or Andrus, both of who they'd only have to pay for 2022 (they can both be bought out in 2023).   With a reset luxury tax penalty, I would think the Yanks will be pretty willing to spend in 2022, and I would also think the As would love to shed those two contracts (about 7.5 million each).




Don't see how a catcher hitting .217 is what we need, Sanchez is better than that.




His career OPS+ is a 109 which is very solid, and he's 26 with upside.  Plus he won the 2021 GG and is an excellent defensive catcher.

2 months ago  ::  Nov 27, 2021 - 3:29PM #8
bruner4329
Posts: 4,332

Nov 27, 2021 -- 6:46AM, hampfan wrote:


Nov 27, 2021 -- 12:47AM, laurenfrances wrote:


www.mlb.com/news/starling-marte-mets-dea...


Mets made a huge splash acquiring 3 players....




Nothing compared with our own Cashman-active (sic) off-season--as if we didn't need a CF like Marte!




I am actually hoping there is a plan this offseason. When considering the positions that are open there has to be some balance. IMO we have 3 or 4 positions of need and in filling those we need 2 left handed bats. More than likely it would be 1B and CF. Not upset about Marte. Don't need another RH bat for this lineup. WE can't go into next season with 8/9 RH bats in the every day lineup.

2 months ago  ::  Nov 27, 2021 - 6:19PM #9
davis2
Posts: 19,187

Nov 26, 2021 -- 10:16PM, JudgeandYankees wrote:


Nov 26, 2021 -- 6:39PM, Giancarlo wrote:


Sean Murphy might be a really nice catch if the As are truly willing to deal him.    He's young, an excellent defensive catcher, and had put up a respectable 109 OPS+ so far in his 3 years in the majors.


And I feel like we may match up well to get him as the Yankee org is pretty catching prospect rich right now.   For Murphy I would pretty much give up any of the Yankee catching prospects as Murphy is just 26 and controllable.   He's not eligible for arbitration until next year, so he is a guy the Yankees can keep around for a while.


Murphy and Olson would be just what the doctor ordered.  The cost would be steep, but the Yankees could take on Pisicotty and/or Andrus, both of who they'd only have to pay for 2022 (they can both be bought out in 2023).   With a reset luxury tax penalty, I would think the Yanks will be pretty willing to spend in 2022, and I would also think the As would love to shed those two contracts (about 7.5 million each).




Don't see how a catcher hitting .217 is what we need, Sanchez is better than that.



Problem is Sanchez' defense...

2 months ago  ::  Nov 27, 2021 - 10:02PM #10
JudgeandYankees
Posts: 539

Nov 27, 2021 -- 6:19PM, davis2 wrote:


Nov 26, 2021 -- 10:16PM, JudgeandYankees wrote:


Nov 26, 2021 -- 6:39PM, Giancarlo wrote:


Sean Murphy might be a really nice catch if the As are truly willing to deal him.    He's young, an excellent defensive catcher, and had put up a respectable 109 OPS+ so far in his 3 years in the majors.


And I feel like we may match up well to get him as the Yankee org is pretty catching prospect rich right now.   For Murphy I would pretty much give up any of the Yankee catching prospects as Murphy is just 26 and controllable.   He's not eligible for arbitration until next year, so he is a guy the Yankees can keep around for a while.


Murphy and Olson would be just what the doctor ordered.  The cost would be steep, but the Yankees could take on Pisicotty and/or Andrus, both of who they'd only have to pay for 2022 (they can both be bought out in 2023).   With a reset luxury tax penalty, I would think the Yanks will be pretty willing to spend in 2022, and I would also think the As would love to shed those two contracts (about 7.5 million each).




Don't see how a catcher hitting .217 is what we need, Sanchez is better than that.



Problem is Sanchez' defense...




Then release him and use Higgy full time and you'll get similar results to Murphy.

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