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8 months ago  ::  Nov 29, 2021 - 2:53PM #11
Max
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Nov 29, 2021 -- 2:46PM, Jon wrote:


Nov 29, 2021 -- 2:06PM, Max wrote:


Nov 29, 2021 -- 12:30AM, laurenfrances wrote:

Mets close to finalizing a 3 year 120M deal for Scherzer




That would be a huge overpay for a 37 year old pitcher.





How'd Verlander do at 35 and 36?




How'd Catfish Hunter do at age 35 and 36? Oh, that's right, he was out of MLB by then. Tell me...When did Verlander get a 3 year contract at 40 million per year.  Oh, that's right again, he didn't.


By the way, Verlander at age 37 which is the age that was being discussed, pitched a total of 6 innings. 

8 months ago  ::  Nov 29, 2021 - 3:10PM #12
Paterson
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Nov 29, 2021 -- 2:53PM, Max wrote:


Nov 29, 2021 -- 2:46PM, Jon wrote:


Nov 29, 2021 -- 2:06PM, Max wrote:


Nov 29, 2021 -- 12:30AM, laurenfrances wrote:

Mets close to finalizing a 3 year 120M deal for Scherzer




That would be a huge overpay for a 37 year old pitcher.





How'd Verlander do at 35 and 36?




How'd Catfish Hunter do at age 35 and 36? Oh, that's right, he was out of MLB by then. Tell me...When did Verlander get a 3 year contract at 40 million per year.  Oh, that's right again, he didn't.


By the way, Verlander at age 37 which is the age that was being discussed, pitched a total of 6 innings. 




    If I were the GM of the Yankees I would not sign Mx Scherzer for 3 years, $130 M. But as you point out that Catfish Hunger was done by age 35 I'd cite that Tom Seaver averaged 237 innings of work per year at ages 38, 39 and 40. Athletes age differently and some sustain far better than others. You have to look at each guy and take an educated guess. One of my favorite Yankees, Andy Pettite, was very effective at age 41 logging the same number of innings as Cole did in 2021 ! 


    While $130 M is a lot of money...for Steve Cohen it is not a life changing deal. Heck, it might not even be the biggest transaction of his weekend. If Scherzer blows out his arm in a snow ball fight at Christmas, the deal will still cost the Mets a lot less than the Ellsbury deal cost the Yankees. It is worth the risk for them. 

8 months ago  ::  Nov 29, 2021 - 3:19PM #13
bigjeep
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Sad day for the Yankees as we sign a guy to a minor league contract! Hal is distroying us! You want top players, you have to pay in todays market!

8 months ago  ::  Nov 29, 2021 - 3:20PM #14
Max
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Nov 29, 2021 -- 3:10PM, Paterson wrote:


Nov 29, 2021 -- 2:53PM, Max wrote:


Nov 29, 2021 -- 2:46PM, Jon wrote:


Nov 29, 2021 -- 2:06PM, Max wrote:


Nov 29, 2021 -- 12:30AM, laurenfrances wrote:

Mets close to finalizing a 3 year 120M deal for Scherzer




That would be a huge overpay for a 37 year old pitcher.





How'd Verlander do at 35 and 36?




How'd Catfish Hunter do at age 35 and 36? Oh, that's right, he was out of MLB by then. Tell me...When did Verlander get a 3 year contract at 40 million per year.  Oh, that's right again, he didn't.


By the way, Verlander at age 37 which is the age that was being discussed, pitched a total of 6 innings. 




    If I were the GM of the Yankees I would not sign Mx Scherzer for 3 years, $130 M. But as you point out that Catfish Hunger was done by age 35 I'd cite that Tom Seaver averaged 237 innings of work per year at ages 38, 39 and 40. Athletes age differently and some sustain far better than others. You have to look at each guy and take an educated guess. One of my favorite Yankees, Andy Pettite, was very effective at age 41 logging the same number of innings as Cole did in 2021 ! 


    While $130 M is a lot of money...for Steve Cohen it is not a life changing deal. Heck, it might not even be the biggest transaction of his weekend. If Scherzer blows out his arm in a snow ball fight at Christmas, the deal will still cost the Mets a lot less than the Ellsbury deal cost the Yankees. It is worth the risk for them. 




The question isn't if Cohen can afford that contract, he can, so can the Yankees.


Even as a Yankee fan in NY, I can say that Seaver might be the best pitcher I got to see pitch every 4 or 5 days when he played for the Mets. But in my opinion, it's a overpay to sign any 37 year old pitcher for 3 years at 40 million per year. Especially when there's a luxury tax.

8 months ago  ::  Nov 29, 2021 - 3:25PM #15
Max
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Nov 29, 2021 -- 3:19PM, bigjeep wrote:


Sad day for the Yankees as we sign a guy to a minor league contract! Hal is distroying us! You want top players, you have to pay in todays market!




The Yankees need a utility infielder. That signing might also might be a depth signing if the Yankees are looking to trade one of their shortstop prospects.

8 months ago  ::  Nov 29, 2021 - 3:30PM #16
GottaGoToMo
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Nov 29, 2021 -- 3:25PM, Max wrote:


Nov 29, 2021 -- 3:19PM, bigjeep wrote:


Sad day for the Yankees as we sign a guy to a minor league contract! Hal is distroying us! You want top players, you have to pay in todays market!




The Yankees need a utility infielder. That signing might also might be a depth signing if the Yankees are looking to trade one of their shortstop prospects.




Just read that this signing doesn't even make up for us losing Wade.

8 months ago  ::  Nov 29, 2021 - 3:47PM #17
Max
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Nov 29, 2021 -- 3:30PM, GottaGoToMo wrote:


Nov 29, 2021 -- 3:25PM, Max wrote:


Nov 29, 2021 -- 3:19PM, bigjeep wrote:


Sad day for the Yankees as we sign a guy to a minor league contract! Hal is distroying us! You want top players, you have to pay in todays market!




The Yankees need a utility infielder. That signing might also might be a depth signing if the Yankees are looking to trade one of their shortstop prospects.




Just read that this signing doesn't even make up for us losing Wade.




I disagree with that. He's not going to knock the cover off the ball, but Peraza is a more proven hitter than Wade. Plus he's only a year older than Wade. He hasn't had many SB the past couple of seasons, but he is quick and a pretty good fielder. He's a decent utility player. 

8 months ago  ::  Nov 29, 2021 - 4:41PM #18
luvdayanks
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Nov 29, 2021 -- 2:46PM, Jon wrote:


Nov 29, 2021 -- 1:55PM, BATS wrote:


Pitching-wise, the Yankees are fine and set. With a rotation consisting of Cole, Severino (finally!), German, and Montgomery





Scherzer is "too risky" but Severino, that bastion of health, and German aren't?




How much are Severino German and Montgomery making compared to Scherzer?  Everyone's a risk in today's game, but  Scherzer at his age and that contract is a much higher risk.

8 months ago  ::  Nov 29, 2021 - 5:19PM #19
mscamaguey
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Scherzer said he did not want to play for the Yanks when the tradedateline approach. Let him go somewhere else. where they can overpay him.


8 months ago  ::  Nov 29, 2021 - 6:22PM #20
Paterson
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Nov 29, 2021 -- 3:30PM, GottaGoToMo wrote:


Nov 29, 2021 -- 3:25PM, Max wrote:


Nov 29, 2021 -- 3:19PM, bigjeep wrote:


Sad day for the Yankees as we sign a guy to a minor league contract! Hal is distroying us! You want top players, you have to pay in todays market!




The Yankees need a utility infielder. That signing might also might be a depth signing if the Yankees are looking to trade one of their shortstop prospects.




Just read that this signing doesn't even make up for us losing Wade.




    He is not even Andrew Velazquez. 

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