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11 months ago  ::  Dec 03, 2021 - 3:12PM #21
NW
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Dec 3, 2021 -- 1:15PM, laurenfrances wrote:


Dec 3, 2021 -- 12:40PM, SSBob wrote:


Dec 3, 2021 -- 12:25PM, NW wrote:


Dec 3, 2021 -- 12:09PM, SSBob wrote:


Dec 3, 2021 -- 11:22AM, NW wrote:


I'd personally be fine with a national women's vote to once and for all decide the fate of abortion.  Let them pose a few questions so we can address the several issues and let the results become the law of the land.




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"The best way I can think of to codify a compromise is to let women decide."


Interesting. You believe federal law should be determined by majority rule...direct democracy...and by doing so, remove the rights of states to make their own laws.


Cool...let's apply the same process to something like, I dunno, presidential elections.




Apples and oranges Bob.  The process for presidential elections is there for a reason and the Constitution and its 10th Amendment remind us that we are indeed the United STATES of America, not the American Democratic Republic.  


You are correct that a direct national election would be in conflict with the 10th Amendment but in this important issue, I feel that there needs to be a firm and direct way to come to a national compromise.  I would also be fine with a national vote collected by the states and then crafting a consitutional amendment based on that process.  Either way, I don't think it's in the best interest of women to let the individual states decide, similar to how it wasn't appropriate to keep "slave states" and "free states".



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Still very interesting. To be clear, you do believe there is a case for federal laws to be determined by direct democracy. In the case of abortion, you've indicated only women would be able to vote. Obviously discriminating against men, but would only women of child bearing age be allowed to vote? Would women who've had hysterectomies be excluded...how about those who are unable to get pregnant?


As for the presidential election analogy...women in "blue/red" states would then control and determine whether abortion is legal in states regardless of what the majority of female residents of those states say.


You're good with that...right? Have I got that right?




How about 14 years old girls raped /pregnant ..is her voices heard via elections???? I think not!!!




Children's voices are not heard via any election nor are they heard with any law that is passed.  I fail to see your point.  I'm quite certain that a vast majority of women (or Americans) for that matter would agree that a 14 year old victim of rape would be allowed to have an abortion.


As far as you're worried about voices not being heard, what about the 24 week gestation baby that could live on its own outside of the mother in a NICU that is aborted?  Is their voice heard in the decision of nine people in robes that have for the moment established the law of the land?  I think not!!!

11 months ago  ::  Dec 03, 2021 - 3:29PM #22
bertram
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“If men could get pregnant, abortion would be a sacrament.”. – Florynce Kennedy

11 months ago  ::  Dec 03, 2021 - 3:38PM #23
NW
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Dec 3, 2021 -- 3:29PM, bertram wrote:


“If men could get pregnant, abortion would be a sacrament.”. – Florynce Kennedy




Thanks for the completely useless commentary.  The bottom line is that nearly 1 in 6 children in this country are killed by abortion.  While some may be necessary or humane, that clearly doesn't account for the vast majority of abortions.  Clearly we need to do a better job at educating our populace.

11 months ago  ::  Dec 03, 2021 - 5:06PM #24
dixieyank
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Dec 3, 2021 -- 3:38PM, NW wrote:


Dec 3, 2021 -- 3:29PM, bertram wrote:


“If men could get pregnant, abortion would be a sacrament.”. – Florynce Kennedy




Thanks for the completely useless commentary.  The bottom line is that nearly 1 in 6 children in this country are killed by abortion.  While some may be necessary or humane, that clearly doesn't account for the vast majority of abortions.  Clearly we need to do a better job at educating our populace.




How many "children" are aborted after 24 weeks, know-it-all?


You should speak for those needing better education...rofl.

11 months ago  ::  Dec 03, 2021 - 5:16PM #25
NW
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Dixie,

Between 12,000 and 15,000 per year are performed after a child is viable outside of the womb. About 500 of them (though the numbers vary greatly from year to year) are because of late genetic testing that finds serious genetic illnesses.

I'm not going to pretend that the number is a large percentage of all abortions, but 120,000 to 150,000 viable babies killed in ten years is a huge number.
11 months ago  ::  Dec 03, 2021 - 5:47PM #26
SSBob
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Dec 3, 2021 -- 5:16PM, NW wrote:

Between 12,000 and 15,000 per year are performed after a child is viable outside of the womb.



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Is it your position that 24 weeks from the date of conception is the point at which any individual “child” is “viable outside of the womb”? Is that your cutoff point for "acceptable" abortion?




11 months ago  ::  Dec 03, 2021 - 5:57PM #27
bertram
Posts: 17,776

“I think in many cases, your morality is deeply lacking if all you want is a child born but not a child fed, not a child educated, not a child housed. That’s not pro-life. That’s pro-birth.”– Sister Joan Chittister

11 months ago  ::  Dec 03, 2021 - 7:44PM #28
NY23
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If an anti-choice woman does not want an abortion, no problem. Yet, if a pro-choice woman desires an abortion, big government con artists demand the right to interfere with that Constitutional right, unless of course, they are rich, then is great to have an abortion.

11 months ago  ::  Dec 04, 2021 - 1:02AM #29
dixieyank
Posts: 6,881

Dec 3, 2021 -- 7:44PM, NY23 wrote:


If an anti-choice woman does not want an abortion, no problem. Yet, if a pro-choice woman desires an abortion, big government con artists demand the right to interfere with that Constitutional right, unless of course, they are rich, then is great to have an abortion.




I'm pro-abortion. I can only imagine the world if Trumpet, his buddies Epstein and Ghislaine, Prince Andrew, and Weinstein had been aborted by their moms. What a dream that would have been!


Go abortion!

11 months ago  ::  Dec 04, 2021 - 10:24AM #30
NY23
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