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9 months ago  ::  Feb 01, 2022 - 9:21AM #51
SSBob
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Feb 1, 2022 -- 7:06AM, prof. quiz wrote:


You are correct. Even as the vile truth is coming out about 1-6 and the effort to overturn an election there are still a lot of brain dead zombies who will overlook the obvious and still cast their vote for the tangerine seditionist. Just like they did in greater numbers after 4 years of his inept, vindictive and rudderless leadership.


But the good news for America is 81 million sane voters cast their ballot for anyone but Trumpet. Now that number will be even larger as the truth and ugly details about Trumpet's illegal plans to rig an election are coming to light.


There are also more Rs in Congress and from the former admin who are growing spines and willing to talk. Pence's former Chief of Staff, Marc Short testified. Ex National Security Advisor Keith Kellog and former WH comm director Alyssa Griffin also told their sordid tales. I'd bet Pence himself will testify when asked.


I'm surprised by all of the traitors and seditionists in the Trumpet admin and Congress who are willing to keep the Big Lie alive but the fat mans days are numbered as the ****s in his armor are slowly widening.


Even if he eludes justice so the goofy Rs in Congress can save face the truth will keep his crooked ass out of the WH. As it is their boy was impeached twice. He has angered many in his own party.


I have been down on the DOJ for what appears a lack of motivation to get the truth out and prosecute the crooked cabal but a lawyer buddy of mine is convinced that they will surprise us all in due time.


The whole world is watching.




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I think it’s a mischaracterization to say his supporters will “overlook” his obvious attempts to overturn the election and seize power. They know exactly what he was doing; they applaud & encourage it.


We’ve come to learn there is a very large contingency is this country who favor autocracy as long as the autocrat shares their agenda. There are obvious examples of that here in this forum.


As for the Republicans in Congress…the number who have dared speak out, even vaguely, is miniscule. Even Susan Collins…who voted to convict him…will not publicly state that she wouldn’t support him if he runs in ’24. Think about that. Most are kowtowing to him…the very few who’ve been honest and spoken up will be purged if they haven’t already been banished.


Until the Republican Party, as a whole, comes out strongly against Trump, as they eventually did against McCarthy, it will remain in Trump’s grasp. I’m not optimistic that will happen.


As for the DOJ…if he’s not indicted now after his statements over the past few days, in which he essentially confessed to attempting to overthrow the government, he never will be.


Again…I’m not optimistic he and his minions will ever be brought to justice.




9 months ago  ::  Feb 01, 2022 - 1:48PM #52
NW
Posts: 4,343

Feb 1, 2022 -- 9:21AM, SSBob wrote:


Feb 1, 2022 -- 7:06AM, prof. quiz wrote:


You are correct. Even as the vile truth is coming out about 1-6 and the effort to overturn an election there are still a lot of brain dead zombies who will overlook the obvious and still cast their vote for the tangerine seditionist. Just like they did in greater numbers after 4 years of his inept, vindictive and rudderless leadership.


But the good news for America is 81 million sane voters cast their ballot for anyone but Trumpet. Now that number will be even larger as the truth and ugly details about Trumpet's illegal plans to rig an election are coming to light.


There are also more Rs in Congress and from the former admin who are growing spines and willing to talk. Pence's former Chief of Staff, Marc Short testified. Ex National Security Advisor Keith Kellog and former WH comm director Alyssa Griffin also told their sordid tales. I'd bet Pence himself will testify when asked.


I'm surprised by all of the traitors and seditionists in the Trumpet admin and Congress who are willing to keep the Big Lie alive but the fat mans days are numbered as the ****s in his armor are slowly widening.


Even if he eludes justice so the goofy Rs in Congress can save face the truth will keep his crooked ass out of the WH. As it is their boy was impeached twice. He has angered many in his own party.


I have been down on the DOJ for what appears a lack of motivation to get the truth out and prosecute the crooked cabal but a lawyer buddy of mine is convinced that they will surprise us all in due time.


The whole world is watching.




~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


I think it’s a mischaracterization to say his supporters will “overlook” his obvious attempts to overturn the election and seize power. They know exactly what he was doing; they applaud & encourage it.


We’ve come to learn there is a very large contingency is this country who favor autocracy as long as the autocrat shares their agenda. There are obvious examples of that here in this forum.


As for the Republicans in Congress…the number who have dared speak out, even vaguely, is miniscule. Even Susan Collins…who voted to convict him…will not publicly state that she wouldn’t support him if he runs in ’24. Think about that. Most are kowtowing to him…the very few who’ve been honest and spoken up will be purged if they haven’t already been banished.


Until the Republican Party, as a whole, comes out strongly against Trump, as they eventually did against McCarthy, it will remain in Trump’s grasp. I’m not optimistic that will happen.


As for the DOJ…if he’s not indicted now after his statements over the past few days, in which he essentially confessed to attempting to overthrow the government, he never will be.


Again…I’m not optimistic he and his minions will ever be brought to justice.







I don't think I've seen anyone on this forum "applaud and encourge" an attempt to overturn an election and seize power.  I was absolutely all for his rights to challenge any of the results and I happen to believe there was more fraud that can ever be proven, but I also don't think it was enough to swing the election in enough states that it would have mattered.  I find it telling that some documents have come out of late that Trump didn't sign onto, realizing that there was a line he couldn't cross.  If anything, I think this tends to confirm the statements he made on 1/6 asking his supporters to "peacefully" protest were honest statements.


I do feel that Trump went too far with his rhetoric and even if he intended peaceful protests, he should have known what his combined words over a period of weeks would have resulted in.  I also think he was wrong for not acting quickly enough when the protest clearly turned to a riot.  It's these reasons that I wouldn't support him in any way, not that he "attempted to overturn an election and seize power" because that just ain't the truth.

9 months ago  ::  Feb 01, 2022 - 2:51PM #53
Max
Posts: 10,646

Feb 1, 2022 -- 7:58AM, newinn wrote:


Feb 1, 2022 -- 7:06AM, prof. quiz wrote:


Jan 31, 2022 -- 4:41PM, SSBob wrote:


63M people voted for Trump in '16. After 4 years of that nightmare 11M more voted for him. Since then, after all that's transpired and come to light, the vast majority of those 74M voters still support him.


It'd be a mistake to assume he'd lose that support if he runs in '24, regardless of what else comes to light. If we should've learned anything over the past 5-6 years, it's that his supporters don't care.


Considering what governments in Republican controlled states are doing, which will affect how votes are counted, with the archaic Electoral College it's entirely possible he could still "win" an election.




You are correct. Even as the vile truth is coming out about 1-6 and the effort to overturn an election there are still a lot of brain dead zombies who will overlook the obvious and still cast their vote for the tangerine seditionist. Just like they did in greater numbers after 4 years of his inept, vindictive and rudderless leadership.


But the good news for America is 81 million sane voters cast their ballot for anyone but Trumpet. Now that number will be even larger as the truth and ugly details about Trumpet's illegal plans to rig an election are coming to light.


There are also more Rs in Congress and from the former admin who are growing spines and willing to talk. Pence's former Chief of Staff, Marc Short testified. Ex National Security Advisor Keith Kellog and former WH comm director Alyssa Griffin also told their sordid tales. I'd bet Pence himself will testify when asked.


I'm surprised by all of the traitors and seditionists in the Trumpet admin and Congress who are willing to keep the Big Lie alive but the fat mans days are numbered as the ****s in his armor are slowly widening.


Even if he eludes justice so the goofy Rs in Congress can save face the truth will keep his crooked ass out of the WH. As it is their boy was impeached twice. He has angered many in his own party.


I have been down on the DOJ for what appears a lack of motivation to get the truth out and prosecute the crooked cabal but a lawyer buddy of mine is convinced that they will surprise us all in due time.


The whole world is watching.





Prof, I sure as hell hope you're right. I'm not as optimistic as you are but I'm very much in favor of your thoughts. I'm finding it very sad that there are that many people politicians like Trump and the hard right Republicans appeal to. Frankly I think it's the old wealthy white people fighting hard to hold on to power and influence. I said this before and I got crushed, I thought Obama was a great President and I supported him whole heartedly. When he was elected I believed it to be a transformative time in our country. I was wrong, the country (as a whole) wasn't ready for a minority President and it surfaced all of the hidden right below the surface horrible racism that sadly still exists in our country.




Now, there's news that says Trump was more involved in the idea of trying to seize voting machines. I also read that Trump wants Pence investigated. Only a tyrant would want to seize voting machines and want Pence investigated for not trying to overturning the election.


I said it before and will say it again, he makes Nixon look like a Saint.  

9 months ago  ::  Feb 01, 2022 - 2:54PM #54
Max
Posts: 10,646

George Conway: Trump just gave prosecutors ‘trifecta’ of criminal intent


“What he did over the weekend was kind of a trifecta going to his intent that prosecutors may be able to use,” says George Conway on Trump’s statements at his Texas rally


www.msnbc.com/all-in/watch/george-conway...

9 months ago  ::  Feb 01, 2022 - 2:55PM #55
Max
Posts: 10,646

Jan 31, 2022 -- 8:25PM, NY23 wrote:



The National Archives has revealed that it received several January 6th-related documents from the Trump White House that were ripped into pieces and were reassembled using tape.





Not a first for the dime store dictator...


Meet the guys who tape Trump's papers back together


The president's unofficial 'filing system' involves tearing up documents into pieces, even when they're supposed to be preserved.


06/10/2018


www.politico.com/story/2018/06/10/trump-...

9 months ago  ::  Feb 01, 2022 - 2:57PM #56
Max
Posts: 10,646

Lawrence: 'Profoundly stupid' Trump admits he wanted to steal election


MSNBC's Lawrence O'Donnell explains how Donald Trump’s “public stupidity” adds evidence to the criminal investigations of election fraud.


www.msnbc.com/the-last-word/watch/lawren...

9 months ago  ::  Feb 01, 2022 - 3:40PM #57
SSBob
Posts: 11,541

Feb 1, 2022 -- 1:48PM, NW wrote:


I don't think I've seen anyone on this forum "applaud and encourge" an attempt to overturn an election and seize power.  I was absolutely all for his rights to challenge any of the results and I happen to believe there was more fraud that can ever be proven, but I also don't think it was enough to swing the election in enough states that it would have mattered.  I find it telling that some documents have come out of late that Trump didn't sign onto, realizing that there was a line he couldn't cross.  If anything, I think this tends to confirm the statements he made on 1/6 asking his supporters to "peacefully" protest were honest statements.


I do feel that Trump went too far with his rhetoric and even if he intended peaceful protests, he should have known what his combined words over a period of weeks would have resulted in.  I also think he was wrong for not acting quickly enough when the protest clearly turned to a riot.  It's these reasons that I wouldn't support him in any way, not that he "attempted to overturn an election and seize power" because that just ain't the truth.




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Why would you infer I was referring to anyone on this forum when I clearly said Trump supporters “applaud & encourage” his undeniable “attempt(s) to overturn an election and seize power”? Are you suggesting there are posters here who are not being truthful re their support of Trump?


Now that you’ve raised that possibility, it does seem odd that you say you “wouldn’t support him in any way” when you’ve already said you’d vote to reelect him. Couple that with the fact that, in the face of overwhelming evidence including his own admission, you deny he “attempted to overturn an election and seize power” leads me to question your credibility.

9 months ago  ::  Feb 01, 2022 - 4:10PM #58
NW
Posts: 4,343

Feb 1, 2022 -- 3:40PM, SSBob wrote:


Feb 1, 2022 -- 1:48PM, NW wrote:


I don't think I've seen anyone on this forum "applaud and encourge" an attempt to overturn an election and seize power.  I was absolutely all for his rights to challenge any of the results and I happen to believe there was more fraud that can ever be proven, but I also don't think it was enough to swing the election in enough states that it would have mattered.  I find it telling that some documents have come out of late that Trump didn't sign onto, realizing that there was a line he couldn't cross.  If anything, I think this tends to confirm the statements he made on 1/6 asking his supporters to "peacefully" protest were honest statements.


I do feel that Trump went too far with his rhetoric and even if he intended peaceful protests, he should have known what his combined words over a period of weeks would have resulted in.  I also think he was wrong for not acting quickly enough when the protest clearly turned to a riot.  It's these reasons that I wouldn't support him in any way, not that he "attempted to overturn an election and seize power" because that just ain't the truth.




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Why would you infer I was referring to anyone on this forum when I clearly said Trump supporters “applaud & encourage” his undeniable “attempt(s) to overturn an election and seize power”? Are you suggesting there are posters here who are not being truthful re their support of Trump?


Now that you’ve raised that possibility, it does seem odd that you say you “wouldn’t support him in any way” when you’ve already said you’d vote to reelect him. Couple that with the fact that, in the face of overwhelming evidence including his own admission, you deny he “attempted to overturn an election and seize power” leads me to question your credibility.




I am not inferring anything.  I am replying to your direct statement that claimed people on this forum "applauded and encouraged" what you describe at his "attempt to overturn an election and seize power".  There is NOBODY on this forum that I've seen that has either "applauded and encouraged" Trump to "attempt to overturn an election and seize power".  In fact, I may be the only one so vocal as to say that he has the absolute right to challenge the result and he has to absolute right not to concede, even when his legal avenues are exhausted.  It's certainly not the first election in history where the loser did not concede.  With that said, your statement that posters here supported Trump "attempting to overturn the election and seize power" is an absolute lie.


You've also said twice now that I would "vote to reelect him", which is again an absolute lie.  Beyond that, there is not one bit of evidence that Trump "attempted to overturn an election and seize power".  There is, however, evidence that many in his inner circle drafted plans to do so and he refused to take those steps.  If anything, that's proof to me that he showed restraint in not authorizing the more violent options that were presented to him, lending more credibility to his statement that he wanted protesters on 1/6 to go there peacefully.


Trump cannot be held liable for things that people in his camp suggested but he chose not to do.  If so, I'd be blaming Biden for illegally going beyond his constitutuonal authority and attempting to cancel student debt, just because Schumer suggested it.  Instead, Biden has chosen restraint and taken the advise of another within his inner circle (Pelosi) who has confirmed that the executive branch has no such authority.


9 months ago  ::  Feb 01, 2022 - 4:14PM #59
SSBob
Posts: 11,541

Feb 1, 2022 -- 4:10PM, NW wrote:


I am not inferring anything.  I am replying to your direct statement that claimed people on this forum "applauded and encouraged" what you describe at his "attempt to overturn an election and seize power".  




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Please point out the "direct statement" you're referring to.

9 months ago  ::  Feb 01, 2022 - 4:18PM #60
SSBob
Posts: 11,541

Feb 1, 2022 -- 4:10PM, NW wrote:


... your statement that posters here supported Trump "attempting to overturn the election and seize power" 


You've also said twice now that I would "vote to reelect him", which is again an absolute lie.  




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Both absolute lies on your part.

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