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Competition for Montas
4 months ago  ::  Apr 10, 2022 - 2:06PM #1
Giancarlo
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www.mlbtraderumors.com/2022/04/athletics...


I've said a couple of times that this would make a lot of sense.   The White Sox could use an arm for their rotation right now, especially with Lynn hurt and the team in a win-now mode.   They also recently picked up Pollock, which fills an OF slot that Vaughn, a natural 1b, was masquerading in due to the team being shorthanded.


The now Olson-less As could slot him right in at 1b, and 2 years of control of Montas is a nice trade chip with which to try to pry him away from the Sox.    But the article also notes that Abreu is 35 and maybe Vaughn could be his successor at 1b if the Sox hold on to him.   Right now they're "balking" at including Vaughn in a Montas deal.


What does this mean for the Yankees as they were known to be in the market for both Manea and Montas?  Vaughn is a pretty steep ask, he's young, cheap and has a lot of offensive potential.   You'd probably be talking about needing to include Peraza at the least and more to keep up with that kind of asking price.


The As are being smart and not rushing in to a deal, they're showing they will wait until they have good leverage and try to maximize their return.    The Sox could really use a SP now and the As are ready to pounce.   The Yankee rotation so far has been healthy, sans German, and he might have been the odd man out anyway.  I don't see the Yankees are being as motivated to get a deal done now as the Sox.

4 months ago  ::  Apr 10, 2022 - 9:17PM #2
davis2
Posts: 19,213

The A's like Tampa, know what they are doing. It's what they have to do to survive. It is criminal that the league hasn't helped them with their stadium issues.

4 months ago  ::  Apr 10, 2022 - 10:48PM #3
Paterson
Posts: 8,196

Apr 10, 2022 -- 9:17PM, davis2 wrote:


The A's like Tampa, know what they are doing. It's what they have to do to survive. It is criminal that the league hasn't helped them with their stadium issues.




    The folks in Tampa did a great job of figuring out how to win games but a lousy job of how to win the hearts of the local fan base. Yes, they have a lousy ballpark with a lease that makes it worse. But their operations don't make things any better. As recently as 2014 the Rays were a huge draw in the Florida market: see


www.foxsports.com/florida/story/rays-bro...


www.foxsports.com/florida/story/rays-bro...



      Whatever their success on the field, it did not translate into fans. Today their broadcasts are middle of the pack:


www.bizjournals.com/tampabay/news/2020/1...


       Tampa really has to start paying as much attention to marketing their franchise as they spend on winning games on the field.


      



4 months ago  ::  Apr 11, 2022 - 8:45AM #4
louisiana_lightning
Posts: 21,964

Apr 10, 2022 -- 10:48PM, Paterson wrote:


Apr 10, 2022 -- 9:17PM, davis2 wrote:


The A's like Tampa, know what they are doing. It's what they have to do to survive. It is criminal that the league hasn't helped them with their stadium issues.




    The folks in Tampa did a great job of figuring out how to win games but a lousy job of how to win the hearts of the local fan base. Yes, they have a lousy ballpark with a lease that makes it worse. But their operations don't make things any better. As recently as 2014 the Rays were a huge draw in the Florida market: see


www.foxsports.com/florida/story/rays-bro...


www.foxsports.com/florida/story/rays-bro...



      Whatever their success on the field, it did not translate into fans. Today their broadcasts are middle of the pack:


www.bizjournals.com/tampabay/news/2020/1...


       Tampa really has to start paying as much attention to marketing their franchise as they spend on winning games on the field.




Trading all the established players prior to their big pay days for the top minor league prospects keeps a continual inflow of talent but fans feel little to no connection to the constantly changing talent on the field.  Except for the veterans that go there to fade into the sunset close to home the fans know they will soon be rooting against their favorite players.

4 months ago  ::  Apr 11, 2022 - 9:27AM #5
Rob
Posts: 2,896

Apr 11, 2022 -- 8:45AM, louisiana_lightning wrote:


Apr 10, 2022 -- 10:48PM, Paterson wrote:


Apr 10, 2022 -- 9:17PM, davis2 wrote:


The A's like Tampa, know what they are doing. It's what they have to do to survive. It is criminal that the league hasn't helped them with their stadium issues.




    The folks in Tampa did a great job of figuring out how to win games but a lousy job of how to win the hearts of the local fan base. Yes, they have a lousy ballpark with a lease that makes it worse. But their operations don't make things any better. As recently as 2014 the Rays were a huge draw in the Florida market: see


www.foxsports.com/florida/story/rays-bro...


www.foxsports.com/florida/story/rays-bro...



      Whatever their success on the field, it did not translate into fans. Today their broadcasts are middle of the pack:


www.bizjournals.com/tampabay/news/2020/1...


       Tampa really has to start paying as much attention to marketing their franchise as they spend on winning games on the field.




Trading all the established players prior to their big pay days for the top minor league prospects keeps a continual inflow of talent but fans feel little to no connection to the constantly changing talent on the field.  Except for the veterans that go there to fade into the sunset close to home the fans know they will soon be rooting against their favorite players.




Probably one of the reasons they draw so poorly. 

4 months ago  ::  Apr 11, 2022 - 9:56AM #6
1955nyyfan
Posts: 3,581

I live in the Bay Area and only about 30 minuites from Oakland's park. I can't give the A's a pass even though the City hasn't helped them. Their payroll is less than $50mm and suspect it will drop even more before the season ends, I've quit going to A's games because the stadium is run down and the food isn't very good. IT's almost as if the last couple years they have quit trying. The league needs a salary floor and owners/cities who can't afford  the floor need to get out of the business. 

4 months ago  ::  Apr 11, 2022 - 10:06AM #7
Paterson
Posts: 8,196

Apr 11, 2022 -- 8:45AM, louisiana_lightning wrote:


Apr 10, 2022 -- 10:48PM, Paterson wrote:


Apr 10, 2022 -- 9:17PM, davis2 wrote:


The A's like Tampa, know what they are doing. It's what they have to do to survive. It is criminal that the league hasn't helped them with their stadium issues.




    The folks in Tampa did a great job of figuring out how to win games but a lousy job of how to win the hearts of the local fan base. Yes, they have a lousy ballpark with a lease that makes it worse. But their operations don't make things any better. As recently as 2014 the Rays were a huge draw in the Florida market: see


www.foxsports.com/florida/story/rays-bro...


www.foxsports.com/florida/story/rays-bro...



      Whatever their success on the field, it did not translate into fans. Today their broadcasts are middle of the pack:


www.bizjournals.com/tampabay/news/2020/1...


       Tampa really has to start paying as much attention to marketing their franchise as they spend on winning games on the field.




Trading all the established players prior to their big pay days for the top minor league prospects keeps a continual inflow of talent but fans feel little to no connection to the constantly changing talent on the field.  Except for the veterans that go there to fade into the sunset close to home the fans know they will soon be rooting against their favorite players.




    I see that too. Winning is not everything when it comes to building a franchise. I think the ownership groups in Tampa and Oakland have some responsibility for the failure to develop a fan base.  

4 months ago  ::  Apr 11, 2022 - 10:17AM #8
Paterson
Posts: 8,196

Apr 11, 2022 -- 9:56AM, 1955nyyfan wrote:


I live in the Bay Area and only about 30 minuites from Oakland's park. I can't give the A's a pass even though the City hasn't helped them. Their payroll is less than $50mm and suspect it will drop even more before the season ends, I've quit going to A's games because the stadium is run down and the food isn't very good. IT's almost as if the last couple years they have quit trying. The league needs a salary floor and owners/cities who can't afford  the floor need to get out of the business. 




    As a New York - really New Jersey - fan I understand why some revenue from the 'Big Market" teams has to be diverted to smaller market teams to keep the league operating, but the current revenue sharing formula makes it too easy for a team to turn a profit simply by minimizing costs. A slary floor is one idea.


   My personal preference is having revenue share money used to match against salary costs. For every dollar a small market team spent on slary, they would get a dollar from MLB up to their revenue share allotment. No franchise should ever be allowed to "stop trying" to provide their fans with a good baseball experience. We don't need owners who do that. 

4 months ago  ::  Apr 11, 2022 - 11:21AM #9
louisiana_lightning
Posts: 21,964

Apr 11, 2022 -- 10:17AM, Paterson wrote:


Apr 11, 2022 -- 9:56AM, 1955nyyfan wrote:


I live in the Bay Area and only about 30 minuites from Oakland's park. I can't give the A's a pass even though the City hasn't helped them. Their payroll is less than $50mm and suspect it will drop even more before the season ends, I've quit going to A's games because the stadium is run down and the food isn't very good. IT's almost as if the last couple years they have quit trying. The league needs a salary floor and owners/cities who can't afford  the floor need to get out of the business. 




    As a New York - really New Jersey - fan I understand why some revenue from the 'Big Market" teams has to be diverted to smaller market teams to keep the league operating, but the current revenue sharing formula makes it too easy for a team to turn a profit simply by minimizing costs. A slary floor is one idea.


   My personal preference is having revenue share money used to match against salary costs. For every dollar a small market team spent on slary, they would get a dollar from MLB up to their revenue share allotment. No franchise should ever be allowed to "stop trying" to provide their fans with a good baseball experience. We don't need owners who do that. 




Blow it up for draft picks has been an often successful yet pathetic way to win it all in pro sports.  The game is entertainment and there should absolutely be a floor on what teams can spend.  No team should be allowed to be the Generals for 3 seasons in hopes of hitting the jackpot and becoming the Globetrotters.

4 months ago  ::  Apr 11, 2022 - 11:23AM #10
louisiana_lightning
Posts: 21,964

Let's not forget that the Trop is a bad venue.  It feels like watching baseball in an Arena.

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