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Chapman has been playing hurt
7 months ago  ::  May 24, 2022 - 11:37AM #11
Max
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Holmes is pitching well even when he's used as the Closer. The Yankees are off to a good start. Seems to me that if the Yankees are going to put Chapman on the IR now's the time to do it.

7 months ago  ::  May 24, 2022 - 6:19PM #12
laurenfrances
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The New York Yankees placed left-hander Aroldis Chapman on the 15-day injured list with left Achilles tendinitis, the team announced Tuesday.

The closer last appeared in Sunday's game, allowing a go-ahead home run to Chicago White Sox outfielder AJ Pollock during a sloppy inning of relief that also included a walk, a hit by pitch, a passed ball, and a double
7 months ago  ::  May 26, 2022 - 9:12AM #13
Carp
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Dump him.  Get two kids and a CF for him.

7 months ago  ::  May 26, 2022 - 9:19AM #14
bruner4329
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This thread title is misleading. It sounds like all his issues are due to being injured but what was the excuse during the second half of last season into this year? Point is he has been consistently inconsistent going back into last season and the fact is he has problems controlling his fastball. 

7 months ago  ::  May 26, 2022 - 9:34AM #15
Carp
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May 26, 2022 -- 9:19AM, bruner4329 wrote:


This thread title is misleading. It sounds like all his issues are due to being injured but what was the excuse during the second half of last season into this year? Point is he has been consistently inconsistent going back into last season and the fact is he has problems controlling his fastball. 




It correlates to the ban on sticky stuff.Between the steroids and the goop, he's an overrated player.

7 months ago  ::  May 26, 2022 - 10:30AM #16
Giancarlo
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May 26, 2022 -- 9:34AM, Carp wrote:


May 26, 2022 -- 9:19AM, bruner4329 wrote:


This thread title is misleading. It sounds like all his issues are due to being injured but what was the excuse during the second half of last season into this year? Point is he has been consistently inconsistent going back into last season and the fact is he has problems controlling his fastball. 




It correlates to the ban on sticky stuff.Between the steroids and the goop, he's an overrated player.




I think a lot of players are on roids or some kind of PEDs - maybe Chapman is, but I don't know for how long if so.   No other pitcher, roids or not, has ever been abke to throw as hard as he has.  And for his career he's got a 173 ERA+.   So I really don't think he's overrated in general.


If you want to look at just 2021 and 2022 then yes, he's run in to some rough patches and hasn't been what he was when he was younger.   Last year's issues may have been an adjustment to the sticky stuff (the timing fits), but then again that happened to tons of pitchers at the same time. 


And as far as a misleading title?  I'm obviously taking about his 2022 performance here, not 2021.   In 2022 he's been playing hurt.   Just like Cole was towards the end of 2021.   As a pitcher you need body parts - such as hamstrings and Achillies tendons - to work properly and without pain to be consistent.

7 months ago  ::  May 26, 2022 - 11:22AM #17
Jon
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May 23, 2022 -- 1:39PM, Giancarlo wrote:


Yankees’ Aroldis Chapman has been playing hurt - nj.com


They're trying to see if he can play through an Achilles issue with no IL time.


A relief in a way as it explains his struggles.   Not good that he's hurt, and maybe not good that they've not just put him on the IL to let it heal 100%.




He's been playing hurt for the last 6 years.

7 months ago  ::  May 26, 2022 - 11:22AM #18
Jon
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May 26, 2022 -- 10:30AM, Giancarlo wrote:


May 26, 2022 -- 9:34AM, Carp wrote:


May 26, 2022 -- 9:19AM, bruner4329 wrote:


This thread title is misleading. It sounds like all his issues are due to being injured but what was the excuse during the second half of last season into this year? Point is he has been consistently inconsistent going back into last season and the fact is he has problems controlling his fastball. 




It correlates to the ban on sticky stuff.Between the steroids and the goop, he's an overrated player.




I think a lot of players are on roids or some kind of PEDs - maybe Chapman is, but I don't know for how long if so.   No other pitcher, roids or not, has ever been abke to throw as hard as he has.  And for his career he's got a 173 ERA+.   So I really don't think he's overrated in general.


If you want to look at just 2021 and 2022 then yes, he's run in to some rough patches and hasn't been what he was when he was younger.   Last year's issues may have been an adjustment to the sticky stuff (the timing fits), but then again that happened to tons of pitchers at the same time. 


And as far as a misleading title?  I'm obviously taking about his 2022 performance here, not 2021.   In 2022 he's been playing hurt.   Just like Cole was towards the end of 2021.   As a pitcher you need body parts - such as hamstrings and Achillies tendons - to work properly and without pain to be consistent.




Check Chapman since 2015 please. Maddon ruined his arm.

7 months ago  ::  May 26, 2022 - 1:04PM #19
jimwest
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May 26, 2022 -- 10:30AM, Giancarlo wrote:


If you want to look at just 2021 and 2022 then yes, he's run in to some rough patches and hasn't been what he was when he was younger.   Last year's issues may have been an adjustment to the sticky stuff (the timing fits), but then again that happened to tons of pitchers at the same time. 


And as far as a misleading title?  I'm obviously taking about his 2022 performance here, not 2021.   In 2022 he's been playing hurt.   Just like Cole was towards the end of 2021.   As a pitcher you need body parts - such as hamstrings and Achillies tendons - to work properly and without pain to be consistent.




He's not run into rough patches, he is in decline. His metrics indicate it - spin rate, velocity, etc. He isn't anywhere near an elite arm any more.


It has been common that every time a Yankee player plays lousy, an injury seems to surface. It becomes the catchall excuse for poor performance, no matter how far back the subpar performanace stretches, or how long ago the injury took place. Players today are coddled too much. Those of the past played, and played well, with much more impactful injuries.


Chapman is aging, and it is showing. Hopefully the Yankees will be smart and let him walk after this season.

7 months ago  ::  May 26, 2022 - 1:11PM #20
Paterson
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May 26, 2022 -- 1:04PM, jimwest wrote:


May 26, 2022 -- 10:30AM, Giancarlo wrote:


If you want to look at just 2021 and 2022 then yes, he's run in to some rough patches and hasn't been what he was when he was younger.   Last year's issues may have been an adjustment to the sticky stuff (the timing fits), but then again that happened to tons of pitchers at the same time. 


And as far as a misleading title?  I'm obviously taking about his 2022 performance here, not 2021.   In 2022 he's been playing hurt.   Just like Cole was towards the end of 2021.   As a pitcher you need body parts - such as hamstrings and Achillies tendons - to work properly and without pain to be consistent.




He's not run into rough patches, he is in decline. His metrics indicate it - spin rate, velocity, etc. He isn't anywhere near an elite arm any more.


It has been common that every time a Yankee player plays lousy, an injury seems to surface. It becomes the catchall excuse for poor performance, no matter how far back the subpar performanace stretches, or how long ago the injury took place. Players today are coddled too much. Those of the past played, and played well, with much more impactful injuries.


Chapman is aging, and it is showing. Hopefully the Yankees will be smart and let him walk after this season.




    Did you hear Jack Curry after the game last night ?   He put it out that Holmes should be the closer on this team. I doubt that was just his opinion. 

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