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Chapman has been playing hurt
7 months ago  ::  May 26, 2022 - 1:12PM #21
SSBob
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May 26, 2022 -- 1:04PM, jimwest wrote:


Chapman is aging, and it is showing. Hopefully the Yankees will be smart and let him walk after this season.




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If Chapman or Gallo are back next season it might push me into the "trashman" camp.

7 months ago  ::  May 26, 2022 - 1:21PM #22
jimwest
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May 26, 2022 -- 1:11PM, Paterson wrote:


May 26, 2022 -- 1:04PM, jimwest wrote:


May 26, 2022 -- 10:30AM, Giancarlo wrote:


If you want to look at just 2021 and 2022 then yes, he's run in to some rough patches and hasn't been what he was when he was younger.   Last year's issues may have been an adjustment to the sticky stuff (the timing fits), but then again that happened to tons of pitchers at the same time. 


And as far as a misleading title?  I'm obviously taking about his 2022 performance here, not 2021.   In 2022 he's been playing hurt.   Just like Cole was towards the end of 2021.   As a pitcher you need body parts - such as hamstrings and Achillies tendons - to work properly and without pain to be consistent.




He's not run into rough patches, he is in decline. His metrics indicate it - spin rate, velocity, etc. He isn't anywhere near an elite arm any more.


It has been common that every time a Yankee player plays lousy, an injury seems to surface. It becomes the catchall excuse for poor performance, no matter how far back the subpar performanace stretches, or how long ago the injury took place. Players today are coddled too much. Those of the past played, and played well, with much more impactful injuries.


Chapman is aging, and it is showing. Hopefully the Yankees will be smart and let him walk after this season.




    Did you hear Jack Curry after the game last night ?   He put it out that Holmes should be the closer on this team. I doubt that was just his opinion. 




Holmes has some really filthy stuff, and has been very dominant, which is what a team should want their closer to be.


He should indeed be the closer.

7 months ago  ::  May 26, 2022 - 1:37PM #23
Rob
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May 26, 2022 -- 9:19AM, bruner4329 wrote:


This thread title is misleading. It sounds like all his issues are due to being injured but what was the excuse during the second half of last season into this year? Point is he has been consistently inconsistent going back into last season and the fact is he has problems controlling his fastball. 




Last season was a finger nail.  That he can go from absolutely dominant to absolutely unusable seemingly overnight would be consistent with an injury, either to his body or, perhaps his brain.


The thing that has always bothered me about Chapman since he first came to the Yankees is that for a guy whose fastball routinely was hitting 101, 102 or 103 MPH, major league hitters seemed to make an awful lot of contact.  A lot of foul balls, yes, but solidly hit base hits as well.  I worried that his fast ball, while very fast, might not ahve a lot of movement on it and that when he started topping out at 98, 99 MPH he would be significantly less effective.  But a reduced fastball doesn't explain why if he gets a man on he frequently loses the plate completey.  Not by a little but 6"-8".  That may be his head, not his arm.


Unfortunately, when he comes off the IL, even if Holmes has been perfect in save situations, Chapman will be subject to the "We are paying him $18 M to close so we gotta use him as the closer" rule.

7 months ago  ::  May 26, 2022 - 1:54PM #24
bruner4329
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May 26, 2022 -- 1:37PM, Rob wrote:


May 26, 2022 -- 9:19AM, bruner4329 wrote:




But a reduced fastball doesn't explain why if he gets a man on he frequently loses the plate completey.  Not by a little but 6"-8".  That may be his head, not his arm.




I have often called him a mental midget, maybe a bit harsh but I do believe he has too many meltdowns. For someone who has been labeled a great closer he has too many blow ups in my book and every year he seems to go through a stretch where he totally loses it. Listen not expecting him to be like Mo as no one is but I never feel comfortable anymore when he enters a game and usually you can tell right away what type of game he will have. People also forget that even though he was with the Cubs when they won, he also blew the save in the last game only to have the Cubs win it in 10.


7 months ago  ::  May 26, 2022 - 2:00PM #25
luvdayanks
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May 26, 2022 -- 1:12PM, SSBob wrote:


May 26, 2022 -- 1:04PM, jimwest wrote:


Chapman is aging, and it is showing. Hopefully the Yankees will be smart and let him walk after this season.




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If Chapman or Gallo are back next season it might push me into the "trashman" camp.




Throw in Hicks and you've got a deal.

7 months ago  ::  May 26, 2022 - 2:15PM #26
SSBob
Posts: 12,386

May 26, 2022 -- 2:00PM, luvdayanks wrote:


May 26, 2022 -- 1:12PM, SSBob wrote:


May 26, 2022 -- 1:04PM, jimwest wrote:


Chapman is aging, and it is showing. Hopefully the Yankees will be smart and let him walk after this season.




~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


If Chapman or Gallo are back next season it might push me into the "trashman" camp.




Throw in Hicks and you've got a deal.




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Hicks is, of course, different in that he'll still have 3 years and $30M left on his contract. Highly doubtful Yanks could move him without picking up a very large part of that, if at all. Yanks would have to willingly extend Gallo & Chapman, which IMO would meet the definition of insanity.


With the exception of when the Yanks got him in the trade with the Twins, I don't believe I've ever commented re Hicks...positively or negatively. But there's no question at this point that he's a psychological mess, so much so that he's taken his offensive "struggles" to the outfield, as demonstrated last night in the 9th.

7 months ago  ::  May 26, 2022 - 2:43PM #27
Rob
Posts: 3,295

May 26, 2022 -- 2:15PM, SSBob wrote:


May 26, 2022 -- 2:00PM, luvdayanks wrote:


May 26, 2022 -- 1:12PM, SSBob wrote:


May 26, 2022 -- 1:04PM, jimwest wrote:


Chapman is aging, and it is showing. Hopefully the Yankees will be smart and let him walk after this season.




~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


If Chapman or Gallo are back next season it might push me into the "trashman" camp.




Throw in Hicks and you've got a deal.




~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


Hicks is, of course, different in that he'll still have 3 years and $30M left on his contract. Highly doubtful Yanks could move him without picking up a very large part of that, if at all. Yanks would have to willingly extend Gallo & Chapman, which IMO would meet the definition of insanity.


With the exception of when the Yanks got him in the trade with the Twins, I don't believe I've ever commented re Hicks...positively or negatively. But there's no question at this point that he's a psychological mess, so much so that he's taken his offensive "struggles" to the outfield, as demonstrated last night in the 9th.




With Stanton in the IL(and does anybody really expect him back in 10 days?)  and Florial showing absolutely nothing at the plate in a small sample size Hicks will likely still be in CF most nights.  The good news, such as it is, is that Andujar is likely to get an extended look in LF and as the DH.


I know Gallo is supposed to be a GG LF, but he has looked like anything but.  So the more time Andujar gets in LF the more comfortable ,hopefully, he will become.  Though, of course, the first time he botches a play that costs them a run the usual suspects will be braying to DFA him./.

7 months ago  ::  May 26, 2022 - 3:05PM #28
SSBob
Posts: 12,386

May 26, 2022 -- 2:43PM, Rob wrote:


With Stanton in the IL(and does anybody really expect him back in 10 days?)  and Florial showing absolutely nothing at the plate in a small sample size Hicks will likely still be in CF most nights.  The good news, such as it is, is that Andujar is likely to get an extended look in LF and as the DH.


I know Gallo is supposed to be a GG LF, but he has looked like anything but.  So the more time Andujar gets in LF the more comfortable ,hopefully, he will become.  Though, of course, the first time he botches a play that costs them a run the usual suspects will be braying to DFA him./.




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As you said, Yanks don't have many options when it comes to CF, so unless/until they make a major move we'll see Hicks out there most often. Florial hasn't lived up to the dreaded potential label.


Andujar has been a pleasant surprise for me in LF. I always figured he could handle the routine plays, but he's shown he can do more than that. He's much improved over what he previously showed. 


As for Gallo...I've said from very early on that I haven't seen anything to justify a GG, although that was when playing RF during a shortened season. 

7 months ago  ::  May 26, 2022 - 3:26PM #29
Rob
Posts: 3,295

May 26, 2022 -- 3:05PM, SSBob wrote:


May 26, 2022 -- 2:43PM, Rob wrote:


With Stanton in the IL(and does anybody really expect him back in 10 days?)  and Florial showing absolutely nothing at the plate in a small sample size Hicks will likely still be in CF most nights.  The good news, such as it is, is that Andujar is likely to get an extended look in LF and as the DH.


I know Gallo is supposed to be a GG LF, but he has looked like anything but.  So the more time Andujar gets in LF the more comfortable ,hopefully, he will become.  Though, of course, the first time he botches a play that costs them a run the usual suspects will be braying to DFA him./.




~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


As you said, Yanks don't have many options when it comes to CF, so unless/until they make a major move we'll see Hicks out there most often. Florial hasn't lived up to the dreaded potential label.


Andujar has been a pleasant surprise for me in LF. I always figured he could handle the routine plays, but he's shown he can do more than that. He's much improved over what he previously showed. 


As for Gallo...I've said from very early on that I haven't seen anything to justify a GG, although that was when playing RF during a shortened season. 




Trevino was the hero Tuesday night so, of course, Higashioka played last night.  Won't be surprised if Andujar sits tonight (don't want to werar him out!). 

7 months ago  ::  May 26, 2022 - 3:58PM #30
Max
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May 26, 2022 -- 1:21PM, jimwest wrote:


May 26, 2022 -- 1:11PM, Paterson wrote:


May 26, 2022 -- 1:04PM, jimwest wrote:


May 26, 2022 -- 10:30AM, Giancarlo wrote:


If you want to look at just 2021 and 2022 then yes, he's run in to some rough patches and hasn't been what he was when he was younger.   Last year's issues may have been an adjustment to the sticky stuff (the timing fits), but then again that happened to tons of pitchers at the same time. 


And as far as a misleading title?  I'm obviously taking about his 2022 performance here, not 2021.   In 2022 he's been playing hurt.   Just like Cole was towards the end of 2021.   As a pitcher you need body parts - such as hamstrings and Achillies tendons - to work properly and without pain to be consistent.




He's not run into rough patches, he is in decline. His metrics indicate it - spin rate, velocity, etc. He isn't anywhere near an elite arm any more.


It has been common that every time a Yankee player plays lousy, an injury seems to surface. It becomes the catchall excuse for poor performance, no matter how far back the subpar performanace stretches, or how long ago the injury took place. Players today are coddled too much. Those of the past played, and played well, with much more impactful injuries.


Chapman is aging, and it is showing. Hopefully the Yankees will be smart and let him walk after this season.




    Did you hear Jack Curry after the game last night ?   He put it out that Holmes should be the closer on this team. I doubt that was just his opinion. 




Holmes has some really filthy stuff, and has been very dominant, which is what a team should want their closer to be.


He should indeed be the closer.




Agreed. What I liked the most when the Yankees traded for Holmes was his hits to innings pitched stat.

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