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Oh s**t! Boone refuses to commit to Holmes as the closer when Chapman returns
2 months ago  ::  Jun 16, 2022 - 9:50AM #1
Rob
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Holmes seems likely to be a victim of the "We are paying this guy $16 M, so we have to let him close" mantra.  Once again Cashman or some faceless member of the front office has made a decision  that the fans cetainly will not like and left Boone to be the face of that bad decision.


11-11 in saves opportunities, 29 straight scoreless innings, and perhaps just as important, generally stress free 9th innings.  Holmes has earned the closer role.  But Boone (or whoever) won't commit to keeping him in that role.  The argument being to use Holmes against the other team's best hitters, be it the 7th, 8th or 9th innng.  But for some reason, the 9th inning always seem to be the hardest outs to get, even if it is the other team's 7th, 8th and 9th batters.


And as a reminder, Chapman's track trecord against some of the Yankees biggest opponents is less than stellar:  Career 4.58 ERA, 1.45 WHIP against Boston, 5.59 ERA and 1.81 WHIP against Houston, 5.12 ERA, 1.55 WHIP vs the Mets, and barely acceptable vs  Blue Jays (3.62 ERA and 1.17 WHIP).


Gawd!  love the team, despise the front office and ownership..

2 months ago  ::  Jun 16, 2022 - 10:30AM #2
bumper
Posts: 11,920

yes he made that comment yesterday. first of all, will believe it when i see it. and if they go w chappy closing, i'm sure it will be a very short leash. if he blows a game or two, then the experiment is over. agree a bit concerning. of course holmes has earned and should be closing. on the other hand, he is sorta saying that holmes is the best arm out of the pen. can see scenarios where if holmes had closed two days in a row where chappy could be an option for the holmes "night off". actually gives us more depth.


though he had a hiccup mixed in there, chappy actually pitched well over his 1st 10 games allowing only 2 hits. then the wheels literally came off. until i see otherwise, gonna attribute it to his achilles. perhaps his overall machismo makes him think he can pitch through injuries unfortunately to the detriment of the team.

2 months ago  ::  Jun 16, 2022 - 10:36AM #3
BATS
Posts: 338

Jun 16, 2022 -- 9:50AM, Rob wrote:


Holmes seems likely to be a victim of the "We are paying this guy $16 M, so we have to let him close" mantra.  Once again Cashman or some faceless member of the front office has made a decision  that the fans cetainly will not like and left Boone to be the face of that bad decision.


11-11 in saves opportunities, 29 straight scoreless innings, and perhaps just as important, generally stress free 9th innings.  Holmes has earned the closer role.  But Boone (or whoever) won't commit to keeping him in that role.  The argument being to use Holmes against the other team's best hitters, be it the 7th, 8th or 9th innng.  But for some reason, the 9th inning always seem to be the hardest outs to get, even if it is the other team's 7th, 8th and 9th batters.


And as a reminder, Chapman's track trecord against some of the Yankees biggest opponents is less than stellar:  Career 4.58 ERA, 1.45 WHIP against Boston, 5.59 ERA and 1.81 WHIP against Houston, 5.12 ERA, 1.55 WHIP vs the Mets, and barely acceptable vs  Blue Jays (3.62 ERA and 1.17 WHIP).


Gawd!  love the team, despise the front office and ownership..




Dude, are you....like.....married to Clay Holmes or something? lol. 


There is no question, that Chapman can still close, and I would be okay with him continuing to do that for the Yankees. As a matter of fact, if the "Holmes to Chapman" combination can match the "Rivera to Wetteland" combo, than the Yankees are better off.


Also, I don't believe the 9th inning is the hardest outs to get. That's all in the pitcher's mind. I said this about 10 years ago, after Mariano retired, that ANYONE CAN BE CLOSER. I was right. LOL.....the proof that is Clay Holmes. Again, "closing" is all in the pitcher's mind.


I know the Yankees have a stellar record at 46-16 right now. I kinda don't care because it doesn't matter to me. What matters to me is October and to win it all, the Yankees have to PEAK at the right time this summer. As of now, the Yankees CAN let Aroldis Chapman close games and pitch to our ridiculously awesome duo of defensive catchers. As a fan, i am willing to sit and watch this happen. 


if i were the Yankees, I would look for them to do something (perhaps) unprecedented. That would be for a first place team trade a top closer by the deadline to a National Leage contender, and get back a haul. 


Lastly, you said that you "Despise" the front office, but you LOVE the team that they put together. I think it's time for you to see a doctor (or a priest).


2 months ago  ::  Jun 16, 2022 - 10:38AM #4
Giancarlo
Posts: 1,464

I'll say the same thing I thought about switching in Britton as the closer when he was going well.   Both he and Holmes are extreme groundball pitchers.


The closer comes in with no one on base.   Guys like Holmes and Britton kind of have an advantage when they come in during a "fire" when guys are on base, because they can induce double play groundouts.  So in a way I like the idea of them not closing because they can put out fires when needed very effectively.


We'll find out how much Chapman was affected by his hamstring injury when he comes back.   If he still doesn't have it, he's not going to last long as the closer.   But he has 315 saves, and he's earned those pitching at a HOF level.   If he's right again after his time on the IL, I'm fine with him closing.

2 months ago  ::  Jun 16, 2022 - 10:39AM #5
Rob
Posts: 2,918

Jun 16, 2022 -- 10:30AM, bumper wrote:


yes he made that comment yesterday. first of all, will believe it when i see it. and if they go w chappy closing, i'm sure it will be a very short leash. if he blows a game or two, then the experiment is over. agree a bit concerning. of course holmes has earned and should be closing. on the other hand, he is sorta saying that holmes is the best arm out of the pen. can see scenarios where if holmes had closed two days in a row where chappy could be an option for the holmes "night off". actually gives us more depth.


though he had a hiccup mixed in there, chappy actually pitched well over his 1st 10 games allowing only 2 hits. then the wheels literally came off. until i see otherwise, gonna attribute it to his achilles. perhaps his overall machismo makes him think he can pitch through injuries unfortunately to the detriment of the team.




Last year it was some sort of finger or fingernail issue that lingered.  And, yes, maybe it was the achilles that turned him from the 0.00 ERA guy to the one that gave up a run or moer in 5 straight appearances.  But I would want to see him pitch effectively in a bunch of 7th and 8th inning spots, preferably with a 2-3 run lead, before trusting him to close if Holmes won't be available.

2 months ago  ::  Jun 16, 2022 - 10:51AM #6
Rob
Posts: 2,918

Jun 16, 2022 -- 10:38AM, Giancarlo wrote:


I'll say the same thing I thought about switching in Britton as the closer when he was going well.   Both he and Holmes are extreme groundball pitchers.


The closer comes in with no one on base.   Guys like Holmes and Britton kind of have an advantage when they come in during a "fire" when guys are on base, because they can induce double play groundouts.  So in a way I like the idea of them not closing because they can put out fires when needed very effectively.


We'll find out how much Chapman was affected by his hamstring injury when he comes back.   If he still doesn't have it, he's not going to last long as the closer.   But he has 315 saves, and he's earned those pitching at a HOF level.   If he's right again after his time on the IL, I'm fine with him closing.




There is an argument to be made that you should use your best reliever - and Boone pretty much said Holmes is right now the best reliever in the pen - in the most crucial spot, be it the 7th, 8th or 9th inning because if you lose the lead in the 7th or 8th inning the closer won't have a lead to protect.  But most teams still seem to go with the set innings assignments.

2 months ago  ::  Jun 16, 2022 - 12:51PM #7
mscamaguey
Posts: 1,409

We know Homes is the closer especially now that we face Rays, Toronto, and Houston. When Chapman returns I assume he will join the Pen Warriors as well as Loasiga.

2 months ago  ::  Jun 16, 2022 - 12:59PM #8
Rob
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Jun 16, 2022 -- 12:51PM, mscamaguey wrote:


We know Homes is the closer especially now that we face Rays, Toronto, and Houston. When Chapman returns I assume he will join the Pen Warriors as well as Loasiga.




I am afraid we do not know that, based on what Boone is reported to ahve said/.

2 months ago  ::  Jun 16, 2022 - 1:48PM #9
manbot
Posts: 2,016

Who cares ? They will both be available and that gives us 2 great closers.  Most teams dont have any good closers 

2 months ago  ::  Jun 16, 2022 - 4:49PM #10
mscamaguey
Posts: 1,409

Boone probably has been told to keep his mouth shut. I love Chapman but I go by what I am watching, I do not have agita with Holmes but I do with Chapman. Maybe his problem was the ankle and he is back to form. He will pitch sooner or later I just hope that Boone chooses him to pitch when the Yanks are leading with a Blowout!  so he can comfortably get back to pitch without a worry he can lose us a game. This team has been winning very close games with what they have now.


I would love to get the old Chapman back. Imagine Chapman and Holmes or vice versa.   What a Dynamic duo that will be                   

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