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6 months ago  ::  Jun 26, 2022 - 3:33PM #41
Giancarlo
Posts: 2,116

Jun 26, 2022 -- 3:30PM, Max wrote:


Jun 26, 2022 -- 12:29PM, manbot wrote:


Jun 26, 2022 -- 11:21AM, Giancarlo wrote:


Jun 25, 2022 -- 11:33PM, manbot wrote:


Jun 25, 2022 -- 10:18PM, jimwest wrote:


Jun 25, 2022 -- 9:05PM, Balboni wrote:


This article sounds like no takers for Gallo might just have to cut him.


MLB Insider: Yankees' Joey Gallo Is 'Untradeable' (msn.com)


 



The Padres had interst this past spring. Just cutting him yields nothing, and still leaves the Yankees on the hook for his salary.


I'm sure some trade can be realized, if Cashman actually works at it. Take anything in return, even if only salary relief.




No and No !!


Cutting Gallo is Addition by Subtraction ??? It opens the door for 2 Yankees ... Andujar and his potentially elite bat and Florial and his overall skill set ... either would be an improvement over Gallo  


And one thing you knuckleheads will never understand  ... If Gallo is picked up off of waivers,  the Yankees are 100% off the hook for his salary.  





What about Andujar since 2018 would make you think he's got a potentially elite ML bat?


If the Yankees do make a deal, it should be for someone who is solid or better, right now, in the majors.   Not for a guy who lost his power after a shoulder injury, or another guy who's never proven anything at the ML level.    Those are the kinds of guys you trade to teams who are out of it for a solid+ rental player who can help you win now.


And what if Gallo isn't claimed?   Then he can sign with anyone for the league minimum salary and the Yanks would be on the hook for the rest.   Who's going to claim him if as you say he's an "addition by subtraction" kind of player?   Seems like a self-defeating statement.




Shutup you **** ...  I dont think it, I know it 


It's pretty obvious to any one over 5 years old that Andujar has a great bat. Anytime he has had consistent playing time he has proven that.


Now on the other hand ... a simpleton like yourself who wouldnt know talent if it hit him in the face, would judge Andujar on 40 ABs 2019 with a torn Labrum,  17 ABs in his first MLB games returning from a torn labrum 2020 and 13 Abs following in 2021 following a covid shortened season 


2020 - after first 6 games back from major Surgery batted .311 with n .831 OPS (Very Andujar like) over 16 Games 


2021 - Following Surgery and Covid shortened season ... After starting out 0-14 in his first 4 Games hit .277 with .721 over hsi next 41 games and 140 abs which woulddv been 2nd to Judge in BA and 4th in OPS on the entire team.


2022 - his .268 avg in very limited playing time would be 3rd on the Yankees and he is tearing up AAA despite being screwed around by the Yankees.


Your are not qualified to speak on talent ...  before I have to bring up all of the Gems that you have been supporting ...  including Gallo





LOL! You would be here all day .




Another new low for Min, bonding with manbot.   Embarassed

6 months ago  ::  Jun 26, 2022 - 3:36PM #42
Max
Posts: 11,072

Jun 26, 2022 -- 3:33PM, Giancarlo wrote:


Jun 26, 2022 -- 3:30PM, Max wrote:


Jun 26, 2022 -- 12:29PM, manbot wrote:


Jun 26, 2022 -- 11:21AM, Giancarlo wrote:


Jun 25, 2022 -- 11:33PM, manbot wrote:


Jun 25, 2022 -- 10:18PM, jimwest wrote:


Jun 25, 2022 -- 9:05PM, Balboni wrote:


This article sounds like no takers for Gallo might just have to cut him.


MLB Insider: Yankees' Joey Gallo Is 'Untradeable' (msn.com)


 



The Padres had interst this past spring. Just cutting him yields nothing, and still leaves the Yankees on the hook for his salary.


I'm sure some trade can be realized, if Cashman actually works at it. Take anything in return, even if only salary relief.




No and No !!


Cutting Gallo is Addition by Subtraction ??? It opens the door for 2 Yankees ... Andujar and his potentially elite bat and Florial and his overall skill set ... either would be an improvement over Gallo  


And one thing you knuckleheads will never understand  ... If Gallo is picked up off of waivers,  the Yankees are 100% off the hook for his salary.  





What about Andujar since 2018 would make you think he's got a potentially elite ML bat?


If the Yankees do make a deal, it should be for someone who is solid or better, right now, in the majors.   Not for a guy who lost his power after a shoulder injury, or another guy who's never proven anything at the ML level.    Those are the kinds of guys you trade to teams who are out of it for a solid+ rental player who can help you win now.


And what if Gallo isn't claimed?   Then he can sign with anyone for the league minimum salary and the Yanks would be on the hook for the rest.   Who's going to claim him if as you say he's an "addition by subtraction" kind of player?   Seems like a self-defeating statement.




Shutup you **** ...  I dont think it, I know it 


It's pretty obvious to any one over 5 years old that Andujar has a great bat. Anytime he has had consistent playing time he has proven that.


Now on the other hand ... a simpleton like yourself who wouldnt know talent if it hit him in the face, would judge Andujar on 40 ABs 2019 with a torn Labrum,  17 ABs in his first MLB games returning from a torn labrum 2020 and 13 Abs following in 2021 following a covid shortened season 


2020 - after first 6 games back from major Surgery batted .311 with n .831 OPS (Very Andujar like) over 16 Games 


2021 - Following Surgery and Covid shortened season ... After starting out 0-14 in his first 4 Games hit .277 with .721 over hsi next 41 games and 140 abs which woulddv been 2nd to Judge in BA and 4th in OPS on the entire team.


2022 - his .268 avg in very limited playing time would be 3rd on the Yankees and he is tearing up AAA despite being screwed around by the Yankees.


Your are not qualified to speak on talent ...  before I have to bring up all of the Gems that you have been supporting ...  including Gallo





LOL! You would be here all day .




Another new low for Min, bonding with manbot.   



I wouldn't call it bonding, but when he's right he's right. Who do you bond with?

6 months ago  ::  Jun 27, 2022 - 11:25AM #43
1955nyyfan
Posts: 4,113

Jun 26, 2022 -- 5:39AM, newinn wrote:


Jun 25, 2022 -- 8:13PM, 1955nyyfan wrote:


Jun 25, 2022 -- 7:34PM, newinn wrote:


I'd like to see them replace Gallo with another lefty bat but I prefer one that can actually hit.




New, curious why your so down on Florial? The kid's only 24 and he lost a year+ of development to a significant injury. We know the kid can run and catch, this year he seems to be putting up some nice offensive numbers at AAA. He's only had 34 abs at the MLB level and I would be willing to bet he hasn't played 3 consecutive games. I don't know if he'll be any good but I still would like to see him get a legitimite shot. 




Hey 55! I'm not that down on Florial aside from the fact he is 24 and hasn't done anything in his brief time with the Yanks. With their record, they should be in full blown "go for it mode" and to me, it doesn't make much sense plugging in what amounts to an unproven track record at this point of the season. He K's too much for my liking




I get it New, I'm with you. I think we are in a position to go for it. It will be interesting to see if Cash parts with any top 10 prospects, he's been reluctant to do so in the recent past but this feels different.  I read on MLB Trade Rumors that we have continued to check in on Castillo and Montas. I would love to pick up either one. 

6 months ago  ::  Jun 27, 2022 - 1:31PM #44
Max
Posts: 11,072

Jun 27, 2022 -- 11:25AM, 1955nyyfan wrote:


Jun 26, 2022 -- 5:39AM, newinn wrote:


Jun 25, 2022 -- 8:13PM, 1955nyyfan wrote:


Jun 25, 2022 -- 7:34PM, newinn wrote:


I'd like to see them replace Gallo with another lefty bat but I prefer one that can actually hit.




New, curious why your so down on Florial? The kid's only 24 and he lost a year+ of development to a significant injury. We know the kid can run and catch, this year he seems to be putting up some nice offensive numbers at AAA. He's only had 34 abs at the MLB level and I would be willing to bet he hasn't played 3 consecutive games. I don't know if he'll be any good but I still would like to see him get a legitimite shot. 




Hey 55! I'm not that down on Florial aside from the fact he is 24 and hasn't done anything in his brief time with the Yanks. With their record, they should be in full blown "go for it mode" and to me, it doesn't make much sense plugging in what amounts to an unproven track record at this point of the season. He K's too much for my liking




 that we have continued to check in on Castillo and Montas. I would love to pick up either one. 




Good pitchers. I was all for the Yankees trading for Castillo last season. But since then he's been on the IR with a sore shoulder and his strikeouts to innings pitched are down. Wouldn't expect the Yankees to trade for him without looking at his MRIs. Both pitchers should be available for the right offers. Montas is only signed for another season, and Castillo earliest arbitration eligible in 2023.


So much for the "competitive balance tax" which doesn't do much without a salary floor.

6 months ago  ::  Jun 27, 2022 - 3:00PM #45
Giancarlo
Posts: 2,116

Jun 27, 2022 -- 1:31PM, Max wrote:


Jun 27, 2022 -- 11:25AM, 1955nyyfan wrote:


Jun 26, 2022 -- 5:39AM, newinn wrote:


Jun 25, 2022 -- 8:13PM, 1955nyyfan wrote:


Jun 25, 2022 -- 7:34PM, newinn wrote:


I'd like to see them replace Gallo with another lefty bat but I prefer one that can actually hit.




New, curious why your so down on Florial? The kid's only 24 and he lost a year+ of development to a significant injury. We know the kid can run and catch, this year he seems to be putting up some nice offensive numbers at AAA. He's only had 34 abs at the MLB level and I would be willing to bet he hasn't played 3 consecutive games. I don't know if he'll be any good but I still would like to see him get a legitimite shot. 




Hey 55! I'm not that down on Florial aside from the fact he is 24 and hasn't done anything in his brief time with the Yanks. With their record, they should be in full blown "go for it mode" and to me, it doesn't make much sense plugging in what amounts to an unproven track record at this point of the season. He K's too much for my liking




 that we have continued to check in on Castillo and Montas. I would love to pick up either one. 




Good pitchers. I was all for the Yankees trading for Castillo last season. But since then he's been on the IR with a sore shoulder and his strikeouts to innings pitched are down. Wouldn't expect the Yankees to trade for him without looking at his MRIs. Both pitchers should be available for the right offers. Montas is only signed for another season, and Castillo earliest arbitration eligible in 2023.


So much for the "competitive balance tax" which doesn't do much without a salary floor.




I also noticed the "Ace" of the Rockies, a guy you would have emptied the farm system to trade for, is sporting a 5.58 ERA.   Wow what a mistake that would have been.   Pitchers with career 112 ERA+ stats usually aren't "Aces".

6 months ago  ::  Jun 27, 2022 - 3:24PM #46
manbot
Posts: 2,291

Jun 26, 2022 -- 3:36PM, Max wrote:


Jun 26, 2022 -- 3:33PM, Giancarlo wrote:


Jun 26, 2022 -- 3:30PM, Max wrote:


Jun 26, 2022 -- 12:29PM, manbot wrote:


Jun 26, 2022 -- 11:21AM, Giancarlo wrote:


Jun 25, 2022 -- 11:33PM, manbot wrote:


Jun 25, 2022 -- 10:18PM, jimwest wrote:


Jun 25, 2022 -- 9:05PM, Balboni wrote:


This article sounds like no takers for Gallo might just have to cut him.


MLB Insider: Yankees' Joey Gallo Is 'Untradeable' (msn.com)


 



The Padres had interst this past spring. Just cutting him yields nothing, and still leaves the Yankees on the hook for his salary.


I'm sure some trade can be realized, if Cashman actually works at it. Take anything in return, even if only salary relief.




No and No !!


Cutting Gallo is Addition by Subtraction ??? It opens the door for 2 Yankees ... Andujar and his potentially elite bat and Florial and his overall skill set ... either would be an improvement over Gallo  


And one thing you knuckleheads will never understand  ... If Gallo is picked up off of waivers,  the Yankees are 100% off the hook for his salary.  





What about Andujar since 2018 would make you think he's got a potentially elite ML bat?


If the Yankees do make a deal, it should be for someone who is solid or better, right now, in the majors.   Not for a guy who lost his power after a shoulder injury, or another guy who's never proven anything at the ML level.    Those are the kinds of guys you trade to teams who are out of it for a solid+ rental player who can help you win now.


And what if Gallo isn't claimed?   Then he can sign with anyone for the league minimum salary and the Yanks would be on the hook for the rest.   Who's going to claim him if as you say he's an "addition by subtraction" kind of player?   Seems like a self-defeating statement.




Shutup you **** ...  I dont think it, I know it 


It's pretty obvious to any one over 5 years old that Andujar has a great bat. Anytime he has had consistent playing time he has proven that.


Now on the other hand ... a simpleton like yourself who wouldnt know talent if it hit him in the face, would judge Andujar on 40 ABs 2019 with a torn Labrum,  17 ABs in his first MLB games returning from a torn labrum 2020 and 13 Abs following in 2021 following a covid shortened season 


2020 - after first 6 games back from major Surgery batted .311 with n .831 OPS (Very Andujar like) over 16 Games 


2021 - Following Surgery and Covid shortened season ... After starting out 0-14 in his first 4 Games hit .277 with .721 over hsi next 41 games and 140 abs which woulddv been 2nd to Judge in BA and 4th in OPS on the entire team.


2022 - his .268 avg in very limited playing time would be 3rd on the Yankees and he is tearing up AAA despite being screwed around by the Yankees.


Your are not qualified to speak on talent ...  before I have to bring up all of the Gems that you have been supporting ...  including Gallo





LOL! You would be here all day .




Another new low for Min, bonding with manbot.   




I wouldn't call it bonding, but when he's right he's right. Who do you bond with?




Oh we're Bonding allright !!!

6 months ago  ::  Jun 27, 2022 - 3:49PM #47
Max
Posts: 11,072

Jun 27, 2022 -- 3:00PM, Giancarlo wrote:


Jun 27, 2022 -- 1:31PM, Max wrote:


Jun 27, 2022 -- 11:25AM, 1955nyyfan wrote:


Jun 26, 2022 -- 5:39AM, newinn wrote:


Jun 25, 2022 -- 8:13PM, 1955nyyfan wrote:


Jun 25, 2022 -- 7:34PM, newinn wrote:


I'd like to see them replace Gallo with another lefty bat but I prefer one that can actually hit.




New, curious why your so down on Florial? The kid's only 24 and he lost a year+ of development to a significant injury. We know the kid can run and catch, this year he seems to be putting up some nice offensive numbers at AAA. He's only had 34 abs at the MLB level and I would be willing to bet he hasn't played 3 consecutive games. I don't know if he'll be any good but I still would like to see him get a legitimite shot. 




Hey 55! I'm not that down on Florial aside from the fact he is 24 and hasn't done anything in his brief time with the Yanks. With their record, they should be in full blown "go for it mode" and to me, it doesn't make much sense plugging in what amounts to an unproven track record at this point of the season. He K's too much for my liking




 that we have continued to check in on Castillo and Montas. I would love to pick up either one. 




Good pitchers. I was all for the Yankees trading for Castillo last season. But since then he's been on the IR with a sore shoulder and his strikeouts to innings pitched are down. Wouldn't expect the Yankees to trade for him without looking at his MRIs. Both pitchers should be available for the right offers. Montas is only signed for another season, and Castillo earliest arbitration eligible in 2023.


So much for the "competitive balance tax" which doesn't do much without a salary floor.




I also noticed the "Ace" of the Rockies, a guy you would have emptied the farm system to trade for, is sporting a 5.58 ERA.   Wow what a mistake that would have been.   Pitchers with career 112 ERA+ stats usually aren't "Aces".




What are you complaining about? You said Cole's game ERA of 5.63 was an "excellent start". Just goes to show your lack of knowledge.


I never said the Yankees should empty their farm for him. But if you thought trading for Marquez is a mistake then why did YOU mentioned the Yankees trading for him in the first place? Talking out of both sides of your rear end again?

6 months ago  ::  Jun 27, 2022 - 5:37PM #48
Giancarlo
Posts: 2,116

Jun 27, 2022 -- 3:49PM, Max wrote:


Jun 27, 2022 -- 3:00PM, Giancarlo wrote:


Jun 27, 2022 -- 1:31PM, Max wrote:


Jun 27, 2022 -- 11:25AM, 1955nyyfan wrote:


Jun 26, 2022 -- 5:39AM, newinn wrote:


Jun 25, 2022 -- 8:13PM, 1955nyyfan wrote:


Jun 25, 2022 -- 7:34PM, newinn wrote:


I'd like to see them replace Gallo with another lefty bat but I prefer one that can actually hit.




New, curious why your so down on Florial? The kid's only 24 and he lost a year+ of development to a significant injury. We know the kid can run and catch, this year he seems to be putting up some nice offensive numbers at AAA. He's only had 34 abs at the MLB level and I would be willing to bet he hasn't played 3 consecutive games. I don't know if he'll be any good but I still would like to see him get a legitimite shot. 




Hey 55! I'm not that down on Florial aside from the fact he is 24 and hasn't done anything in his brief time with the Yanks. With their record, they should be in full blown "go for it mode" and to me, it doesn't make much sense plugging in what amounts to an unproven track record at this point of the season. He K's too much for my liking




 that we have continued to check in on Castillo and Montas. I would love to pick up either one. 




Good pitchers. I was all for the Yankees trading for Castillo last season. But since then he's been on the IR with a sore shoulder and his strikeouts to innings pitched are down. Wouldn't expect the Yankees to trade for him without looking at his MRIs. Both pitchers should be available for the right offers. Montas is only signed for another season, and Castillo earliest arbitration eligible in 2023.


So much for the "competitive balance tax" which doesn't do much without a salary floor.




I also noticed the "Ace" of the Rockies, a guy you would have emptied the farm system to trade for, is sporting a 5.58 ERA.   Wow what a mistake that would have been.   Pitchers with career 112 ERA+ stats usually aren't "Aces".




What are you complaining about? You said Cole's game ERA of 5.63 was an "excellent start". Just goes to show your lack of knowledge.


I never said the Yankees should empty their farm for him. But if you thought trading for Marquez is a mistake then why did YOU mentioned the Yankees trading for him in the first place? Talking out of both sides of your rear end again?




Notice I was offering guys like Voit and King, and was told my you that they weren't even close to enough.   Again and again you keep showing you have the absolute Min amount of baseball acumen.

6 months ago  ::  Jun 27, 2022 - 6:05PM #49
Carp
Posts: 5,894

Jun 18, 2022 -- 1:51PM, Max wrote:


Jun 17, 2022 -- 10:53PM, al wrote:

He’s a lefty hitting .303 in AAA and has an .851 OPS. Plus he stole 3 bases today bringing his total to 21. Still only 24 and never really was given a legit shot. I sure don’t want to upset the Big Apple cart but damn, he sounds like he could be a pretty good ML ball player if giver a chance. The Astros have been an elite hitting club (when they’re not cheating) for years and they still brought up Alvarez and Tucker and they got even better.




Seems like the Yankees have 2 choices. Play him instead of Hicks or Gallo. Or keep him at Triple A and hope he improves his trade value. In my opinion, they should try to trade Hicks and all or some of his 10 million dollar a year contract. It's not like Hicks is hitting the cover off the ball and he only appears to be a .230-.240 hitter. 




I agree, but that trade is a tough one to pull off, I think... But hey, maybe he excels somewhre else, like, The Angels.  I think he might be a good fit there.  Anyway, we have Andujar and Florial waiting to come up.  We may be losing the window for Andujar to come up and become a full-time, big league player.... but I think he deserves his shot.  

5 months ago  ::  Jun 28, 2022 - 1:44PM #50
Max
Posts: 11,072

Jun 27, 2022 -- 5:37PM, Giancarlo wrote:


Jun 27, 2022 -- 3:49PM, Max wrote:


Jun 27, 2022 -- 3:00PM, Giancarlo wrote:


Jun 27, 2022 -- 1:31PM, Max wrote:


Jun 27, 2022 -- 11:25AM, 1955nyyfan wrote:


Jun 26, 2022 -- 5:39AM, newinn wrote:


Jun 25, 2022 -- 8:13PM, 1955nyyfan wrote:


Jun 25, 2022 -- 7:34PM, newinn wrote:


I'd like to see them replace Gallo with another lefty bat but I prefer one that can actually hit.




New, curious why your so down on Florial? The kid's only 24 and he lost a year+ of development to a significant injury. We know the kid can run and catch, this year he seems to be putting up some nice offensive numbers at AAA. He's only had 34 abs at the MLB level and I would be willing to bet he hasn't played 3 consecutive games. I don't know if he'll be any good but I still would like to see him get a legitimite shot. 




Hey 55! I'm not that down on Florial aside from the fact he is 24 and hasn't done anything in his brief time with the Yanks. With their record, they should be in full blown "go for it mode" and to me, it doesn't make much sense plugging in what amounts to an unproven track record at this point of the season. He K's too much for my liking




 that we have continued to check in on Castillo and Montas. I would love to pick up either one. 




Good pitchers. I was all for the Yankees trading for Castillo last season. But since then he's been on the IR with a sore shoulder and his strikeouts to innings pitched are down. Wouldn't expect the Yankees to trade for him without looking at his MRIs. Both pitchers should be available for the right offers. Montas is only signed for another season, and Castillo earliest arbitration eligible in 2023.


So much for the "competitive balance tax" which doesn't do much without a salary floor.




I also noticed the "Ace" of the Rockies, a guy you would have emptied the farm system to trade for, is sporting a 5.58 ERA.   Wow what a mistake that would have been.   Pitchers with career 112 ERA+ stats usually aren't "Aces".




What are you complaining about? You said Cole's game ERA of 5.63 was an "excellent start". Just goes to show your lack of knowledge.


I never said the Yankees should empty their farm for him. But if you thought trading for Marquez is a mistake then why did YOU mentioned the Yankees trading for him in the first place? Talking out of both sides of your rear end again?




Notice I was offering guys like Voit and King, and was told my you that they weren't even close to enough.   Again and again you keep showing you have the absolute Min amount of baseball acumen.




That's because it wasn't enough for a pitching starved team's best pitcher, for the reason already mentioned. Which shows you're either stubborn or stupid. My guess would be probably both.

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