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1 week ago  ::  Aug 06, 2022 - 10:49AM #21
newinn
Posts: 38,569

Aug 6, 2022 -- 10:37AM, Carp wrote:


Aug 6, 2022 -- 1:38AM, bumper wrote:


bet you think buck showalter is a pretty good manager. well guess what ... he did the same thing last nite against the braves bringing diaz, his closer, in in the 8th. and tuesday guess what ... the mariners brought their closer in to face DJ, judge & rizzo in the 7th and he K'd 2.


like it or not, this is the new trend in the game to bring the closer in the highest leverage situation not necessarily the 9th. as someone said, if king was here, the 8th would be his. bringing in holmes there, shows how little he trusts the other guys.


and if boone had brought chappy in the 8th, people in the game thread would have been going crazy on boone. and if he blew it you would have been going the craziest. btw holmes was one strike away from closing the inning out. at which point, w a low pitch count, he could have pitched the 9th. unfortunately suddenly the wheels came off. it was not only the right move, it was the only move. when things don't work second guesses are always right.





Showalter has never been a great manager of pitching- That's why the Yankees dumped him.


Trend or not, that does not make it valid- especially in some/all situations.  Eating Tide Pods was also a trend, but I never bought into that, either.


As for going crazy about Chappy, you're wrong.  You gotta try him.  You gotta try someone.  You have to make an effort to figure it out.  If the process ain't broke, don't fix it.   You, we will agree to disagree.  It was the wrong move the other day, and the wrong move last night.  If you don't learn from your mistakes, you shouldn't be managing a big league team.




The Yankees "dumped" him because George was crazy. George also begged him to come back the day after "dumping" him. I always thought Buck was one of the best managers of this generation.

1 week ago  ::  Aug 06, 2022 - 10:54AM #22
SSBob
Posts: 11,044

Aug 6, 2022 -- 10:49AM, newinn wrote:


Aug 6, 2022 -- 10:37AM, Carp wrote:


Aug 6, 2022 -- 1:38AM, bumper wrote:


bet you think buck showalter is a pretty good manager. well guess what ... he did the same thing last nite against the braves bringing diaz, his closer, in in the 8th. and tuesday guess what ... the mariners brought their closer in to face DJ, judge & rizzo in the 7th and he K'd 2.


like it or not, this is the new trend in the game to bring the closer in the highest leverage situation not necessarily the 9th. as someone said, if king was here, the 8th would be his. bringing in holmes there, shows how little he trusts the other guys.


and if boone had brought chappy in the 8th, people in the game thread would have been going crazy on boone. and if he blew it you would have been going the craziest. btw holmes was one strike away from closing the inning out. at which point, w a low pitch count, he could have pitched the 9th. unfortunately suddenly the wheels came off. it was not only the right move, it was the only move. when things don't work second guesses are always right.





Showalter has never been a great manager of pitching- That's why the Yankees dumped him.


Trend or not, that does not make it valid- especially in some/all situations.  Eating Tide Pods was also a trend, but I never bought into that, either.


As for going crazy about Chappy, you're wrong.  You gotta try him.  You gotta try someone.  You have to make an effort to figure it out.  If the process ain't broke, don't fix it.   You, we will agree to disagree.  It was the wrong move the other day, and the wrong move last night.  If you don't learn from your mistakes, you shouldn't be managing a big league team.




The Yankees "dumped" him because George was crazy. George also begged him to come back the day after "dumping" him. I always thought Buck was one of the best managers of this generation.




~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


The guy has never been able to enjoy the fruits of his labor. If Yanks don't make it to WS and Mets do I'll absolutely be pulling for them/him.

1 week ago  ::  Aug 06, 2022 - 11:13AM #23
newinn
Posts: 38,569

Aug 6, 2022 -- 10:54AM, SSBob wrote:


Aug 6, 2022 -- 10:49AM, newinn wrote:


Aug 6, 2022 -- 10:37AM, Carp wrote:


Aug 6, 2022 -- 1:38AM, bumper wrote:


bet you think buck showalter is a pretty good manager. well guess what ... he did the same thing last nite against the braves bringing diaz, his closer, in in the 8th. and tuesday guess what ... the mariners brought their closer in to face DJ, judge & rizzo in the 7th and he K'd 2.


like it or not, this is the new trend in the game to bring the closer in the highest leverage situation not necessarily the 9th. as someone said, if king was here, the 8th would be his. bringing in holmes there, shows how little he trusts the other guys.


and if boone had brought chappy in the 8th, people in the game thread would have been going crazy on boone. and if he blew it you would have been going the craziest. btw holmes was one strike away from closing the inning out. at which point, w a low pitch count, he could have pitched the 9th. unfortunately suddenly the wheels came off. it was not only the right move, it was the only move. when things don't work second guesses are always right.





Showalter has never been a great manager of pitching- That's why the Yankees dumped him.


Trend or not, that does not make it valid- especially in some/all situations.  Eating Tide Pods was also a trend, but I never bought into that, either.


As for going crazy about Chappy, you're wrong.  You gotta try him.  You gotta try someone.  You have to make an effort to figure it out.  If the process ain't broke, don't fix it.   You, we will agree to disagree.  It was the wrong move the other day, and the wrong move last night.  If you don't learn from your mistakes, you shouldn't be managing a big league team.




The Yankees "dumped" him because George was crazy. George also begged him to come back the day after "dumping" him. I always thought Buck was one of the best managers of this generation.




~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


The guy has never been able to enjoy the fruits of his labor. If Yanks don't make it to WS and Mets do I'll absolutely be pulling for them/him.




same here Bob.

1 week ago  ::  Aug 06, 2022 - 11:42AM #24
bumper
Posts: 11,944

Aug 6, 2022 -- 10:37AM, Carp wrote:


Aug 6, 2022 -- 1:38AM, bumper wrote:


bet you think buck showalter is a pretty good manager. well guess what ... he did the same thing last nite against the braves bringing diaz, his closer, in in the 8th. and tuesday guess what ... the mariners brought their closer in to face DJ, judge & rizzo in the 7th and he K'd 2.


like it or not, this is the new trend in the game to bring the closer in the highest leverage situation not necessarily the 9th. as someone said, if king was here, the 8th would be his. bringing in holmes there, shows how little he trusts the other guys.


and if boone had brought chappy in the 8th, people in the game thread would have been going crazy on boone. and if he blew it you would have been going the craziest. btw holmes was one strike away from closing the inning out. at which point, w a low pitch count, he could have pitched the 9th. unfortunately suddenly the wheels came off. it was not only the right move, it was the only move. when things don't work second guesses are always right.





Showalter has never been a great manager of pitching- That's why the Yankees dumped him.


Trend or not, that does not make it valid- especially in some/all situations.  Eating Tide Pods was also a trend, but I never bought into that, either.


As for going crazy about Chappy, you're wrong.  You gotta try him.  You gotta try someone.  You have to make an effort to figure it out.  If the process ain't broke, don't fix it.   You, we will agree to disagree.  It was the wrong move the other day, and the wrong move last night.  If you don't learn from your mistakes, you shouldn't be managing a big league team.




think showalter was a very good manager however he did have a major screw-up and that was NOT getting his closer into a playoff game that the o's lost. left britton out in the pen. lesson learned ...


we will disagree. i think it was a the right move. bringing chappy in (until he proves otherwise) to face the RH hitting heart of lineup would have been very risky and boone was trying to win a game and not try things out. only reason it was wrong was it didn't work. like i said 2nd guessing is always 1.000.

1 week ago  ::  Aug 06, 2022 - 10:54PM #25
Carp
Posts: 5,854

Aug 6, 2022 -- 11:13AM, newinn wrote:


Aug 6, 2022 -- 10:54AM, SSBob wrote:


Aug 6, 2022 -- 10:49AM, newinn wrote:


Aug 6, 2022 -- 10:37AM, Carp wrote:


Aug 6, 2022 -- 1:38AM, bumper wrote:


bet you think buck showalter is a pretty good manager. well guess what ... he did the same thing last nite against the braves bringing diaz, his closer, in in the 8th. and tuesday guess what ... the mariners brought their closer in to face DJ, judge & rizzo in the 7th and he K'd 2.


like it or not, this is the new trend in the game to bring the closer in the highest leverage situation not necessarily the 9th. as someone said, if king was here, the 8th would be his. bringing in holmes there, shows how little he trusts the other guys.


and if boone had brought chappy in the 8th, people in the game thread would have been going crazy on boone. and if he blew it you would have been going the craziest. btw holmes was one strike away from closing the inning out. at which point, w a low pitch count, he could have pitched the 9th. unfortunately suddenly the wheels came off. it was not only the right move, it was the only move. when things don't work second guesses are always right.





Showalter has never been a great manager of pitching- That's why the Yankees dumped him.


Trend or not, that does not make it valid- especially in some/all situations.  Eating Tide Pods was also a trend, but I never bought into that, either.


As for going crazy about Chappy, you're wrong.  You gotta try him.  You gotta try someone.  You have to make an effort to figure it out.  If the process ain't broke, don't fix it.   You, we will agree to disagree.  It was the wrong move the other day, and the wrong move last night.  If you don't learn from your mistakes, you shouldn't be managing a big league team.




The Yankees "dumped" him because George was crazy. George also begged him to come back the day after "dumping" him. I always thought Buck was one of the best managers of this generation.




~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


The guy has never been able to enjoy the fruits of his labor. If Yanks don't make it to WS and Mets do I'll absolutely be pulling for them/him.




same here Bob.




Me too.


...But it will be just another reason for people to dump on the Yankees.  They've become the laughing stock of baseball; always a bridesmaid, never a bride.   

1 week ago  ::  Aug 06, 2022 - 10:55PM #26
Carp
Posts: 5,854

Aug 6, 2022 -- 11:42AM, bumper wrote:


Aug 6, 2022 -- 10:37AM, Carp wrote:


Aug 6, 2022 -- 1:38AM, bumper wrote:


bet you think buck showalter is a pretty good manager. well guess what ... he did the same thing last nite against the braves bringing diaz, his closer, in in the 8th. and tuesday guess what ... the mariners brought their closer in to face DJ, judge & rizzo in the 7th and he K'd 2.


like it or not, this is the new trend in the game to bring the closer in the highest leverage situation not necessarily the 9th. as someone said, if king was here, the 8th would be his. bringing in holmes there, shows how little he trusts the other guys.


and if boone had brought chappy in the 8th, people in the game thread would have been going crazy on boone. and if he blew it you would have been going the craziest. btw holmes was one strike away from closing the inning out. at which point, w a low pitch count, he could have pitched the 9th. unfortunately suddenly the wheels came off. it was not only the right move, it was the only move. when things don't work second guesses are always right.





Showalter has never been a great manager of pitching- That's why the Yankees dumped him.


Trend or not, that does not make it valid- especially in some/all situations.  Eating Tide Pods was also a trend, but I never bought into that, either.


As for going crazy about Chappy, you're wrong.  You gotta try him.  You gotta try someone.  You have to make an effort to figure it out.  If the process ain't broke, don't fix it.   You, we will agree to disagree.  It was the wrong move the other day, and the wrong move last night.  If you don't learn from your mistakes, you shouldn't be managing a big league team.




think showalter was a very good manager however he did have a major screw-up and that was NOT getting his closer into a playoff game that the o's lost. left britton out in the pen. lesson learned ...


we will disagree. i think it was a the right move. bringing chappy in (until he proves otherwise) to face the RH hitting heart of lineup would have been very risky and boone was trying to win a game and not try things out. only reason it was wrong was it didn't work. like i said 2nd guessing is always 1.000.




Chapman got it done, tonight, in the 8th.  It's not quite the same situation, but he got the job done.  


At some point, you just gotta go for it.

1 week ago  ::  Aug 06, 2022 - 11:17PM #27
bumper
Posts: 11,944

Aug 6, 2022 -- 10:55PM, Carp wrote:


Aug 6, 2022 -- 11:42AM, bumper wrote:


Aug 6, 2022 -- 10:37AM, Carp wrote:


Aug 6, 2022 -- 1:38AM, bumper wrote:


bet you think buck showalter is a pretty good manager. well guess what ... he did the same thing last nite against the braves bringing diaz, his closer, in in the 8th. and tuesday guess what ... the mariners brought their closer in to face DJ, judge & rizzo in the 7th and he K'd 2.


like it or not, this is the new trend in the game to bring the closer in the highest leverage situation not necessarily the 9th. as someone said, if king was here, the 8th would be his. bringing in holmes there, shows how little he trusts the other guys.


and if boone had brought chappy in the 8th, people in the game thread would have been going crazy on boone. and if he blew it you would have been going the craziest. btw holmes was one strike away from closing the inning out. at which point, w a low pitch count, he could have pitched the 9th. unfortunately suddenly the wheels came off. it was not only the right move, it was the only move. when things don't work second guesses are always right.





Showalter has never been a great manager of pitching- That's why the Yankees dumped him.


Trend or not, that does not make it valid- especially in some/all situations.  Eating Tide Pods was also a trend, but I never bought into that, either.


As for going crazy about Chappy, you're wrong.  You gotta try him.  You gotta try someone.  You have to make an effort to figure it out.  If the process ain't broke, don't fix it.   You, we will agree to disagree.  It was the wrong move the other day, and the wrong move last night.  If you don't learn from your mistakes, you shouldn't be managing a big league team.




think showalter was a very good manager however he did have a major screw-up and that was NOT getting his closer into a playoff game that the o's lost. left britton out in the pen. lesson learned ...


we will disagree. i think it was a the right move. bringing chappy in (until he proves otherwise) to face the RH hitting heart of lineup would have been very risky and boone was trying to win a game and not try things out. only reason it was wrong was it didn't work. like i said 2nd guessing is always 1.000.




Chapman got it done, tonight, in the 8th.  It's not quite the same situation, but he got the job done.  


At some point, you just gotta go for it.




he got through it. walked the lead-off batter and then was bailed by a caught stealing. he has to earn boone's trust.

1 week ago  ::  Aug 06, 2022 - 11:26PM #28
Carp
Posts: 5,854

Aug 6, 2022 -- 11:17PM, bumper wrote:


Aug 6, 2022 -- 10:55PM, Carp wrote:


Aug 6, 2022 -- 11:42AM, bumper wrote:


Aug 6, 2022 -- 10:37AM, Carp wrote:


Aug 6, 2022 -- 1:38AM, bumper wrote:


bet you think buck showalter is a pretty good manager. well guess what ... he did the same thing last nite against the braves bringing diaz, his closer, in in the 8th. and tuesday guess what ... the mariners brought their closer in to face DJ, judge & rizzo in the 7th and he K'd 2.


like it or not, this is the new trend in the game to bring the closer in the highest leverage situation not necessarily the 9th. as someone said, if king was here, the 8th would be his. bringing in holmes there, shows how little he trusts the other guys.


and if boone had brought chappy in the 8th, people in the game thread would have been going crazy on boone. and if he blew it you would have been going the craziest. btw holmes was one strike away from closing the inning out. at which point, w a low pitch count, he could have pitched the 9th. unfortunately suddenly the wheels came off. it was not only the right move, it was the only move. when things don't work second guesses are always right.





Showalter has never been a great manager of pitching- That's why the Yankees dumped him.


Trend or not, that does not make it valid- especially in some/all situations.  Eating Tide Pods was also a trend, but I never bought into that, either.


As for going crazy about Chappy, you're wrong.  You gotta try him.  You gotta try someone.  You have to make an effort to figure it out.  If the process ain't broke, don't fix it.   You, we will agree to disagree.  It was the wrong move the other day, and the wrong move last night.  If you don't learn from your mistakes, you shouldn't be managing a big league team.




think showalter was a very good manager however he did have a major screw-up and that was NOT getting his closer into a playoff game that the o's lost. left britton out in the pen. lesson learned ...


we will disagree. i think it was a the right move. bringing chappy in (until he proves otherwise) to face the RH hitting heart of lineup would have been very risky and boone was trying to win a game and not try things out. only reason it was wrong was it didn't work. like i said 2nd guessing is always 1.000.




Chapman got it done, tonight, in the 8th.  It's not quite the same situation, but he got the job done.  


At some point, you just gotta go for it.




he got through it. walked the lead-off batter and then was bailed by a caught stealing. he has to earn boone's trust.




He figured it out.  He's a veteran pitcher, who (admittedly) hasn't found it since they outlawed spider tac - just like Cole, but he figured it out.  Just like that, a boost of confidence for when they send him out to do it the next time.  

1 week ago  ::  Aug 06, 2022 - 11:50PM #29
manbot
Posts: 2,017

Aug 6, 2022 -- 11:26PM, Carp wrote:


Aug 6, 2022 -- 11:17PM, bumper wrote:


Aug 6, 2022 -- 10:55PM, Carp wrote:


Aug 6, 2022 -- 11:42AM, bumper wrote:


Aug 6, 2022 -- 10:37AM, Carp wrote:


Aug 6, 2022 -- 1:38AM, bumper wrote:


bet you think buck showalter is a pretty good manager. well guess what ... he did the same thing last nite against the braves bringing diaz, his closer, in in the 8th. and tuesday guess what ... the mariners brought their closer in to face DJ, judge & rizzo in the 7th and he K'd 2.


like it or not, this is the new trend in the game to bring the closer in the highest leverage situation not necessarily the 9th. as someone said, if king was here, the 8th would be his. bringing in holmes there, shows how little he trusts the other guys.


and if boone had brought chappy in the 8th, people in the game thread would have been going crazy on boone. and if he blew it you would have been going the craziest. btw holmes was one strike away from closing the inning out. at which point, w a low pitch count, he could have pitched the 9th. unfortunately suddenly the wheels came off. it was not only the right move, it was the only move. when things don't work second guesses are always right.





Showalter has never been a great manager of pitching- That's why the Yankees dumped him.


Trend or not, that does not make it valid- especially in some/all situations.  Eating Tide Pods was also a trend, but I never bought into that, either.


As for going crazy about Chappy, you're wrong.  You gotta try him.  You gotta try someone.  You have to make an effort to figure it out.  If the process ain't broke, don't fix it.   You, we will agree to disagree.  It was the wrong move the other day, and the wrong move last night.  If you don't learn from your mistakes, you shouldn't be managing a big league team.




think showalter was a very good manager however he did have a major screw-up and that was NOT getting his closer into a playoff game that the o's lost. left britton out in the pen. lesson learned ...


we will disagree. i think it was a the right move. bringing chappy in (until he proves otherwise) to face the RH hitting heart of lineup would have been very risky and boone was trying to win a game and not try things out. only reason it was wrong was it didn't work. like i said 2nd guessing is always 1.000.




Chapman got it done, tonight, in the 8th.  It's not quite the same situation, but he got the job done.  


At some point, you just gotta go for it.




he got through it. walked the lead-off batter and then was bailed by a caught stealing. he has to earn boone's trust.




He figured it out.  He's a veteran pitcher, who (admittedly) hasn't found it since they outlawed spider tac - just like Cole, but he figured it out.  Just like that, a boost of confidence for when they send him out to do it the next time.  




It's not like Holmes has been getting it done

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