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3 months ago  ::  Dec 17, 2022 - 6:55AM #1
newinn
Posts: 39,146

I'm a big proponent of developing and playing kids. I always kind of thought it made good sense to introduce one kid to the starting lineup each year.



That being said I think that because of age to key players and payroll for the future, this roster has a shorter then normal window to go for championships. They are weak offensivley behind the plate, in left field at third base and who knows about shortstop and centerfield. They need to add some left handed low K guys to fill a couple of those positions. You have to hold out hope that DJLM overcomes his injury and gives them some games at third but at his age that's no guarentee. IMO I think it's a mistake to go into the season counting on Cabrerra to be the everyday left fielder. I'm disappointed they didn't get Benintendi but they need a player like him to fill the (obvious to me) hole in left field and I have a strong preference for a lefty.  They've gone this far with payroll, now they need to finish the job.



Oh and I agree that it makes no sense to trade Gleyber to fill left.

3 months ago  ::  Dec 17, 2022 - 9:32AM #2
1955nyyfan
Posts: 4,284

Dec 17, 2022 -- 6:55AM, newinn wrote:


I'm a big proponent of developing and playing kids. I always kind of thought it made good sense to introduce one kid to the starting lineup each year.



That being said I think that because of age to key players and payroll for the future, this roster has a shorter then normal window to go for championships. They are weak offensivley behind the plate, in left field at third base and who knows about shortstop and centerfield. They need to add some left handed low K guys to fill a couple of those positions. You have to hold out hope that DJLM overcomes his injury and gives them some games at third but at his age that's no guarentee. IMO I think it's a mistake to go into the season counting on Cabrerra to be the everyday left fielder. I'm disappointed they didn't get Benintendi but they need a player like him to fill the (obvious to me) hole in left field and I have a strong preference for a lefty.  They've gone this far with payroll, now they need to finish the job.



Oh and I agree that it makes no sense to trade Gleyber to fill left.



New, I hear where your coming from. I'm probably a little more comfortable about CF and SS than you. I think Bader will be ok offensively and I really like Perazza and think he has a chance to be special. At the very least, both will provide exceptional defense. Unless Cash has somthing up his sleeve, after Benentendi signed, I don't think any of the other options that are available for LF seem like a big improvement over what Cabrera might provide. I will be really dissapointed if we start the season with Donaldson at 3b but I'm feeling like that is becoming more and more likely. I guess Profar is available for LF, pretty good defender and a lefty bat but his offensive performance is just meh. He would also be a bit pricey and I'm not sure he would be a significant upgrade. I think Varsho would be an interesting player but would probably be costly. As it stands right now, we still are RH heavy and have a couple holes in the lineup but don't see an easy fix . 


An "all-in" move would be to sign Swanson to play SS then put together a package around Volpe to get Robertson for LF. Ain't gonna happen but that would be somthing. 

3 months ago  ::  Dec 17, 2022 - 11:42AM #3
manbot
Posts: 2,652

Dec 17, 2022 -- 9:32AM, 1955nyyfan wrote:


Dec 17, 2022 -- 6:55AM, newinn wrote:


I'm a big proponent of developing and playing kids. I always kind of thought it made good sense to introduce one kid to the starting lineup each year.



That being said I think that because of age to key players and payroll for the future, this roster has a shorter then normal window to go for championships. They are weak offensivley behind the plate, in left field at third base and who knows about shortstop and centerfield. They need to add some left handed low K guys to fill a couple of those positions. You have to hold out hope that DJLM overcomes his injury and gives them some games at third but at his age that's no guarentee. IMO I think it's a mistake to go into the season counting on Cabrerra to be the everyday left fielder. I'm disappointed they didn't get Benintendi but they need a player like him to fill the (obvious to me) hole in left field and I have a strong preference for a lefty.  They've gone this far with payroll, now they need to finish the job.



Oh and I agree that it makes no sense to trade Gleyber to fill left.



New, I hear where your coming from. I'm probably a little more comfortable about CF and SS than you. I think Bader will be ok offensively and I really like Perazza and think he has a chance to be special. At the very least, both will provide exceptional defense. Unless Cash has somthing up his sleeve, after Benentendi signed, I don't think any of the other options that are available for LF seem like a big improvement over what Cabrera might provide. I will be really dissapointed if we start the season with Donaldson at 3b but I'm feeling like that is becoming more and more likely. I guess Profar is available for LF, pretty good defender and a lefty bat but his offensive performance is just meh. He would also be a bit pricey and I'm not sure he would be a significant upgrade. I think Varsho would be an interesting player but would probably be costly. As it stands right now, we still are RH heavy and have a couple holes in the lineup but don't see an easy fix . 


An "all-in" move would be to sign Swanson to play SS then put together a package around Volpe to get Robertson for LF. Ain't gonna happen but that would be somthing. 




To me that is no fun at all ...Any team with money can sign all the Free Agents and trade all of their prospects for established players. Not challanging or exciting.  It also rarely works !!! 


I like what we have and I want to see the Young guys come up and be part of it. Maybe  sign a guy like Brantley to platoon in left Field that would be sufficient. Yanks have a great combination of Veterans, Youth and home grown players right now and the best Pitching staff in the MLB 


 




3 months ago  ::  Dec 17, 2022 - 12:43PM #4
qwik3457
Posts: 12,675

Dec 17, 2022 -- 11:42AM, manbot wrote:


To me that is no fun at all ...Any team with money can sign all the Free Agents and trade all of their prospects for established players. Not challanging or exciting.  It also rarely works !!! 


I like what we have and I want to see the Young guys come up and be part of it. Maybe  sign a guy like Brantley to platoon in left Field that would be sufficient. Yanks have a great combination of Veterans, Youth and home grown players right now and the best Pitching staff in the MLB 




I wouldn't mind Brantley if I were sure he wasn't starting to break down physically. He's been injured quite a bit in his career, but he's turning 36, lost 40 games to injuries in 2021 and missed almost 100 games last season, not playing at all after June 26th.

Knowledge is Good -- Emil Faber
3 months ago  ::  Dec 17, 2022 - 1:02PM #5
qwik3457
Posts: 12,675

Dec 17, 2022 -- 6:55AM, newinn wrote:


I'm a big proponent of developing and playing kids. I always kind of thought it made good sense to introduce one kid to the starting lineup each year.


That being said I think that because of age to key players and payroll for the future, this roster has a shorter then normal window to go for championships. They are weak offensivley behind the plate, in left field at third base and who knows about shortstop and centerfield. They need to add some left handed low K guys to fill a couple of those positions. You have to hold out hope that DJLM overcomes his injury and gives them some games at third but at his age that's no guarentee. IMO I think it's a mistake to go into the season counting on Cabrerra to be the everyday left fielder. I'm disappointed they didn't get Benintendi but they need a player like him to fill the (obvious to me) hole in left field and I have a strong preference for a lefty.  They've gone this far with payroll, now they need to finish the job.


Oh and I agree that it makes no sense to trade Gleyber to fill left.




I used to be on the Gleyber bandwagon, but I feel now as if he'll never entirely fill the star potential he once had. Even in his "big comeback" season last year, his offense was just good, not great, with long slumps and hot streaks. He occasionally makes brilliant thinking-man's plays, especially on the bases, but pulls awful rocks just as often. Almost every time he loads up for a big swing, the result is a foul off the right side, or a pop or short fly to right or right center. If he would just stay with the quick short inside-out swing, he'd still hit 15-20 HRs a year and bat .280-.290 and be a very valuable counterweight to all the High-K right-handed slugglers in the lineup.. But he still thinks of himself as a 30-40 HR hitter (which because of the use of humidors in all parks, he isn't anymore). Unless he can accept what he truly is, he won't be any more than a solid regular, a not-quite-an-all-star.


I would be OK with trading him this year or next, whenever they feel Volpe is ready for the majors. For what? Maybe a really good OF prospect, or solid young C prospect. The Pirates have two different catching prospects in the Fangraphs top 40 but the trade simulator at Trade Values estimates the marginal values (WAR) of both Rodiriguez and Thomas at between $33 and $35 million, whereas Torress value is just $11.2 million, because he has just two year of control left, and will make much larger amounts of money through the arbitration process if nothing else. The Jays have three catchers who could start in the majors, but would not close a major hole in their top division rival's lineup by trading one to them, and the Yanks don't really want to close just about the only semi-hole in the Jays' fearsome lineup (Espinal/Biggio).

Knowledge is Good -- Emil Faber
3 months ago  ::  Dec 17, 2022 - 1:06PM #6
Max
Posts: 11,354

Dec 17, 2022 -- 6:55AM, newinn wrote:


I'm a big proponent of developing and playing kids. I always kind of thought it made good sense to introduce one kid to the starting lineup each year.



That being said I think that because of age to key players and payroll for the future, this roster has a shorter then normal window to go for championships. They are weak offensivley behind the plate, in left field at third base and who knows about shortstop and centerfield. They need to add some left handed low K guys to fill a couple of those positions. You have to hold out hope that DJLM overcomes his injury and gives them some games at third but at his age that's no guarentee. IMO I think it's a mistake to go into the season counting on Cabrerra to be the everyday left fielder. I'm disappointed they didn't get Benintendi but they need a player like him to fill the (obvious to me) hole in left field and I have a strong preference for a lefty.  They've gone this far with payroll, now they need to finish the job.



Oh and I agree that it makes no sense to trade Gleyber to fill left.




I thought the contract Benny signed with the WSox was a reasonable one. In my opinion, Benny was the perfect player for the Yankees. But what's done is done, he's no longer a Yankee. Not sure where the Yankees go from here, especially if they plan to play Cabrera in a super utility role.


Maybe they make a trade with Arizona since Arizona has a fair share of left-handed OF prospects?


As for trading Torres, as with all trades it depends who the Yankees can get back in return. I don't rule out the Yankees trading Torres because he has value and the Yankees will be dealing from one of their strengths. The Yankees have middle infielders DJ, IKF, Peraza, with Volpe and Sweeney not far behind from making their way to MLB. That's not counting Arias. Arias played Rookie Ball last season, but he has the potential to eventually be better than them all.  

3 months ago  ::  Dec 17, 2022 - 1:37PM #7
manbot
Posts: 2,652

Dec 17, 2022 -- 1:06PM, Max wrote:


Dec 17, 2022 -- 6:55AM, newinn wrote:


I'm a big proponent of developing and playing kids. I always kind of thought it made good sense to introduce one kid to the starting lineup each year.



That being said I think that because of age to key players and payroll for the future, this roster has a shorter then normal window to go for championships. They are weak offensivley behind the plate, in left field at third base and who knows about shortstop and centerfield. They need to add some left handed low K guys to fill a couple of those positions. You have to hold out hope that DJLM overcomes his injury and gives them some games at third but at his age that's no guarentee. IMO I think it's a mistake to go into the season counting on Cabrerra to be the everyday left fielder. I'm disappointed they didn't get Benintendi but they need a player like him to fill the (obvious to me) hole in left field and I have a strong preference for a lefty.  They've gone this far with payroll, now they need to finish the job.



Oh and I agree that it makes no sense to trade Gleyber to fill left.




I thought the contract Benny signed with the WSox was a reasonable one. In my opinion, Benny was the perfect player for the Yankees. But what's done is done, he's no longer a Yankee. Not sure where the Yankees go from here, especially if they plan to play Cabrera in a super utility role.


Maybe they make a trade with Arizona since Arizona has a fair share of left-handed OF prospects?


As for trading Torres, as with all trades it depends who the Yankees can get back in return. I don't rule out the Yankees trading Torres because he has value and the Yankees will be dealing from one of their strengths. The Yankees have middle infielders DJ, IKF, Peraza, with Volpe and Sweeney not far behind from making their way to MLB. That's not counting Arias. Arias played Rookie Ball last season, but he has the potential to eventually be better than them all.  




Whoa let's slow down a bit.


Middle infield is potentially a strength of the Yankees ... If they trade Gleyber it could be potentially a weakness.


Peraza hasnt even made the MLB team yet and if he does it will be as a rookie with potential, Volpe will probably start in AAA, DJL is old and Injured and a huge question mark right now, IKF was the arguably the weakest starting SS in the MLB last season so let's not call him a strength at middle infield.


Gleyber is the only young healthy proven commodity. If they trade him and Peraza doesnt live up to expectations, and Volpe is not ready the Yankees season is likely ruined 

3 months ago  ::  Dec 17, 2022 - 3:58PM #8
bruner4329
Posts: 4,975

Dec 17, 2022 -- 9:32AM, 1955nyyfan wrote:




New, I hear where your coming from. I'm probably a little more comfortable about CF and SS than you. I think Bader will be ok offensively and I really like Perazza and think he has a chance to be special. At the very least, both will provide exceptional defense. Unless Cash has somthing up his sleeve, after Benentendi signed, I don't think any of the other options that are available for LF seem like a big improvement over what Cabrera might provide. I will be really dissapointed if we start the season with Donaldson at 3b but I'm feeling like that is becoming more and more likely. I guess Profar is available for LF, pretty good defender and a lefty bat but his offensive performance is just meh. He would also be a bit pricey and I'm not sure he would be a significant upgrade. I think Varsho would be an interesting player but would probably be costly. As it stands right now, we still are RH heavy and have a couple holes in the lineup but don't see an easy fix . 


An "all-in" move would be to sign Swanson to play SS then put together a package around Volpe to get Robertson for LF. Ain't gonna happen but that would be somthing. 




Assume you mean Reynolds?

3 months ago  ::  Dec 17, 2022 - 6:51PM #9
1955nyyfan
Posts: 4,284
Yep meant Reynolds, whose Robertson?
3 months ago  ::  Dec 17, 2022 - 7:11PM #10
Giancarlo
Posts: 2,840

You've got to part with something of value though no matter who they might trade for (*cough* Gleyber *cough*):




Dec. 12: Yanks engaged with 2 teams in trade talks (report)
The Yankees' outfield is two-thirds complete right now. They have Harrison Bader in center and Aaron Judge (per source) in right. How will they handle left field? The answer may be found in the trade market. 






According to the MLB Network insider Joel Sherman (subscription required) the Yankees have had conversations with the D-backs and Twins regarding their left-handed-hitting outfielders.






Arizona's young outfielders -- namely, Alek Thomas, Jake McCarthy and Daulton Varsho -- have drawn interest from a bunch of teams. Sources told the Arizona Republic that list includes the Astros, A's, Blue Jays, Brewers, Marlins, Reds and White Sox, among others. Sherman writes that the D-backs "seem most poised" to deal the the 22-year-old Thomas, who registered a .619 OPS through 381 at-bats at a rookie this past season. Varsho, 26, is the most appealing player to the Yankees, but "the return ask would be substantial," per Sherman. Varsho hit 27 homers and stole 16 bases in 2022.






In Minnesota, Sherman lists Max Kepler as a possibility for the Yanks. Heading into his age-30 season, Kepler is under contract through 2023 with a $10 million club option for 2024. He bashed 36 home runs in 134 games during the 2019 season, but he hasn't come close to matching that production since. The Germany native has 37 homers and a 98 OPS+ over the previous three seasons, spanning 284 games.



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