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Yanks to regret dealing Waldichuk?
5 months ago  ::  Jan 19, 2023 - 3:33PM #1
Jon
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The Frankie Montas trade just keeps getting worse.



Earlier this week, the New York Post reported the right-hander will miss the beginning of the 2023 season with shoulder inflammation.



The New York Yankees acquired Montas and right-hander Lou Trivino from the Oakland A’s ahead of the 2022 trade deadline, sending four prospects out west: left-handers Ken Waldichuk and JP Sears, right-hander Luis Medina and infielder Cooper Bowman.


MLB Pipeline is out with its list of the top 10 lefty prospects in baseball. No. 3 is Waldichuk.







Waldichuk’s performance and stock slipped when he tried to throw harder as a junior at Saint Mary’s in 2019, which caused him to drop to the Yankees in the fifth round. New York helped him upgrade his fastball, slider and changeup before sending him to the Athletics in the Frankie Montas trade last August.


Waldichuk is the Athletics’ No. 2 prospect and No. 67 overall. The 25-year-old made his MLB debut last season with the A’s, going 2-2 with a 4.93 ERA in seven starts. In November, A’s general manager David Forst talked up Waldichuk to FanGraphs.








“We think Waldichuk has a chance to be a top-of-the rotation arm, and we certainly saw glimpses of that in the big leagues. With him, it’s the physicality, the fastball command, and the swing-and-miss he gets with three different pitches. I think Ken has a huge upside."

5 months ago  ::  Jan 19, 2023 - 6:50PM #2
hampfan
Posts: 3,776

Jan 19, 2023 -- 3:33PM, Jon wrote:


www.nj.com/yankees/2023/01/ex-yankees-fa...


The Frankie Montas trade just keeps getting worse.


Waldichuk is the Athletics’ No. 2 prospect and No. 67 overall. The 25-year-old made his MLB debut last season with the A’s, going 2-2 with a 4.93 ERA in seven starts. In November, A’s general manager David Forst talked up Waldichuk to FanGraphs.


“We think Waldichuk has a chance to be a top-of-the rotation arm, and we certainly saw glimpses of that in the big leagues. With him, it’s the physicality, the fastball command, and the swing-and-miss he gets with three different pitches. I think Ken has a huge upside."




I think it was a big mistake trading W for Montas. Score one for Billy Beane--so far, at least. It's not as though we have a hundred LH pitchers to rely on in our bullpen anymore after also letting Luetge depart. Also, how long before the one LH reliever we have, Peralta, gets injured by being overused?

5 months ago  ::  Jan 19, 2023 - 7:25PM #3
Paterson
Posts: 9,464

Jan 19, 2023 -- 6:50PM, hampfan wrote:


Jan 19, 2023 -- 3:33PM, Jon wrote:


www.nj.com/yankees/2023/01/ex-yankees-fa...


The Frankie Montas trade just keeps getting worse.


Waldichuk is the Athletics’ No. 2 prospect and No. 67 overall. The 25-year-old made his MLB debut last season with the A’s, going 2-2 with a 4.93 ERA in seven starts. In November, A’s general manager David Forst talked up Waldichuk to FanGraphs.


“We think Waldichuk has a chance to be a top-of-the rotation arm, and we certainly saw glimpses of that in the big leagues. With him, it’s the physicality, the fastball command, and the swing-and-miss he gets with three different pitches. I think Ken has a huge upside."




I think it was a big mistake trading W for Montas. Score one for Billy Beane--so far, at least. It's not as though we have a hundred LH pitchers to rely on in our bullpen anymore after also letting Luetge depart. Also, how long before the one LH reliever we have, Peralta, gets injured by being overused?




     Getting Montas did not bother me nearly as much as trading away Montgomery. I am still ticked off about that deal. 

5 months ago  ::  Jan 20, 2023 - 7:09AM #4
xnewyorker
Posts: 1,075

Jan 19, 2023 -- 7:25PM, Paterson wrote:


Jan 19, 2023 -- 6:50PM, hampfan wrote:


Jan 19, 2023 -- 3:33PM, Jon wrote:


www.nj.com/yankees/2023/01/ex-yankees-fa...


The Frankie Montas trade just keeps getting worse.


Waldichuk is the Athletics’ No. 2 prospect and No. 67 overall. The 25-year-old made his MLB debut last season with the A’s, going 2-2 with a 4.93 ERA in seven starts. In November, A’s general manager David Forst talked up Waldichuk to FanGraphs.


“We think Waldichuk has a chance to be a top-of-the rotation arm, and we certainly saw glimpses of that in the big leagues. With him, it’s the physicality, the fastball command, and the swing-and-miss he gets with three different pitches. I think Ken has a huge upside."




I think it was a big mistake trading W for Montas. Score one for Billy Beane--so far, at least. It's not as though we have a hundred LH pitchers to rely on in our bullpen anymore after also letting Luetge depart. Also, how long before the one LH reliever we have, Peralta, gets injured by being overused?




     Getting Montas did not bother me nearly as much as trading away Montgomery. I am still ticked off about that deal. 




Yankees are better off with Bader than Monty.  Seeing Hicks in the OF had to stop and he did put on a show in the PS eventhough it was a small sample size.  Let's see how he does in his walk year before he hits free agency.

5 months ago  ::  Jan 20, 2023 - 10:21AM #5
Giancarlo
Posts: 3,501

Jan 20, 2023 -- 7:09AM, xnewyorker wrote:


Jan 19, 2023 -- 7:25PM, Paterson wrote:


Jan 19, 2023 -- 6:50PM, hampfan wrote:


Jan 19, 2023 -- 3:33PM, Jon wrote:


www.nj.com/yankees/2023/01/ex-yankees-fa...


The Frankie Montas trade just keeps getting worse.


Waldichuk is the Athletics’ No. 2 prospect and No. 67 overall. The 25-year-old made his MLB debut last season with the A’s, going 2-2 with a 4.93 ERA in seven starts. In November, A’s general manager David Forst talked up Waldichuk to FanGraphs.


“We think Waldichuk has a chance to be a top-of-the rotation arm, and we certainly saw glimpses of that in the big leagues. With him, it’s the physicality, the fastball command, and the swing-and-miss he gets with three different pitches. I think Ken has a huge upside."




I think it was a big mistake trading W for Montas. Score one for Billy Beane--so far, at least. It's not as though we have a hundred LH pitchers to rely on in our bullpen anymore after also letting Luetge depart. Also, how long before the one LH reliever we have, Peralta, gets injured by being overused?




     Getting Montas did not bother me nearly as much as trading away Montgomery. I am still ticked off about that deal. 




Yankees are better off with Bader than Monty.  Seeing Hicks in the OF had to stop and he did put on a show in the PS eventhough it was a small sample size.  Let's see how he does in his walk year before he hits free agency.




I agree.   We essentially went from Hicks and Monty to Bader and Rodon.   I don't see anything at all there to complain about.


And while I sort of understood the trade at the time, I thought Waldichuk and Medina was a lot to give up.   And the As have a knack of finishing off the development of minor league pitchers and turning them in to solid major leaguers.   If they want your young pitching, they know something.

5 months ago  ::  Jan 20, 2023 - 10:37AM #6
Paterson
Posts: 9,464

Jan 20, 2023 -- 7:09AM, xnewyorker wrote:


Jan 19, 2023 -- 7:25PM, Paterson wrote:


Jan 19, 2023 -- 6:50PM, hampfan wrote:


Jan 19, 2023 -- 3:33PM, Jon wrote:


www.nj.com/yankees/2023/01/ex-yankees-fa...


The Frankie Montas trade just keeps getting worse.


Waldichuk is the Athletics’ No. 2 prospect and No. 67 overall. The 25-year-old made his MLB debut last season with the A’s, going 2-2 with a 4.93 ERA in seven starts. In November, A’s general manager David Forst talked up Waldichuk to FanGraphs.


“We think Waldichuk has a chance to be a top-of-the rotation arm, and we certainly saw glimpses of that in the big leagues. With him, it’s the physicality, the fastball command, and the swing-and-miss he gets with three different pitches. I think Ken has a huge upside."




I think it was a big mistake trading W for Montas. Score one for Billy Beane--so far, at least. It's not as though we have a hundred LH pitchers to rely on in our bullpen anymore after also letting Luetge depart. Also, how long before the one LH reliever we have, Peralta, gets injured by being overused?




     Getting Montas did not bother me nearly as much as trading away Montgomery. I am still ticked off about that deal. 




Yankees are better off with Bader than Monty.  Seeing Hicks in the OF had to stop and he did put on a show in the PS eventhough it was a small sample size.  Let's see how he does in his walk year before he hits free agency.




    Ever wonder why so many guys have their best year when they are eligible to walk ?    Look at the numbers Hikcs put up in 2018.   

5 months ago  ::  Jan 20, 2023 - 10:43AM #7
xnewyorker
Posts: 1,075

Jan 20, 2023 -- 10:37AM, Paterson wrote:


Jan 20, 2023 -- 7:09AM, xnewyorker wrote:


Jan 19, 2023 -- 7:25PM, Paterson wrote:


Jan 19, 2023 -- 6:50PM, hampfan wrote:


Jan 19, 2023 -- 3:33PM, Jon wrote:


www.nj.com/yankees/2023/01/ex-yankees-fa...


The Frankie Montas trade just keeps getting worse.


Waldichuk is the Athletics’ No. 2 prospect and No. 67 overall. The 25-year-old made his MLB debut last season with the A’s, going 2-2 with a 4.93 ERA in seven starts. In November, A’s general manager David Forst talked up Waldichuk to FanGraphs.


“We think Waldichuk has a chance to be a top-of-the rotation arm, and we certainly saw glimpses of that in the big leagues. With him, it’s the physicality, the fastball command, and the swing-and-miss he gets with three different pitches. I think Ken has a huge upside."




I think it was a big mistake trading W for Montas. Score one for Billy Beane--so far, at least. It's not as though we have a hundred LH pitchers to rely on in our bullpen anymore after also letting Luetge depart. Also, how long before the one LH reliever we have, Peralta, gets injured by being overused?




     Getting Montas did not bother me nearly as much as trading away Montgomery. I am still ticked off about that deal. 




Yankees are better off with Bader than Monty.  Seeing Hicks in the OF had to stop and he did put on a show in the PS eventhough it was a small sample size.  Let's see how he does in his walk year before he hits free agency.




    Ever wonder why so many guys have their best year when they are eligible to walk ?    Look at the numbers Hikcs put up in 2018.   




Exactly!   I expect healthy MVP/CY Young seasons out of Bader and Severino


Hicks wasn't going to be a FA after 2018 but the Yankees extended him for some reason going against their own policy of not extending before they reach free agency.


Good thing they didn't extend Sanchez after the seasons he had in 2016 and 2017.


5 months ago  ::  Jan 20, 2023 - 11:32AM #8
NW
Posts: 5,352

When the trade happened, I said that the Yankees are going to miss Waldichuk.  However, prosepects are what they are, and I hope I'm wrong.

5 months ago  ::  Jan 20, 2023 - 5:41PM #9
Jon
Posts: 7,617

That's insane logic. "We actually traded Montgomery for Rodon."


No. Because if Montas performed, the Yanks don't sign Rodon, and look to fill other holes.

5 months ago  ::  Jan 20, 2023 - 6:04PM #10
Giancarlo
Posts: 3,501

Jan 20, 2023 -- 5:41PM, Jon wrote:


That's insane logic. "We actually traded Montgomery for Rodon."


No. Because if Montas performed, the Yanks don't sign Rodon, and look to fill other holes.




Montas and Rodon are apples and oranges.   One's a #3 type and the other is one of the most potent Aces in the game.


Montas was never brought in to be what Rodon was signed for.

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