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4 months ago  ::  Feb 04, 2023 - 1:40PM #21
SSBob
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Feb 4, 2023 -- 12:57PM, Max wrote:


Feb 4, 2023 -- 12:35PM, SSBob wrote:


Feb 4, 2023 -- 12:23PM, Max wrote:


I like the idea of a Torres, Peraza, Volpe, Rizzo, infield. But the Yankees still have DJ. So, I think there's a chance Torres is going to get traded either for Reynolds or for pitching prospects that the Pirates want in a trade for Reynolds. 




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Yanks have a classic power hitting 3B in Gleyber. He'd be 27 during the '24 season. If Peraza & Volpe live up to their projections that's a great looking IF for many years.



Bob, I agree. But the Yankees would have a salary issue and a roster issue. The Yankees would have to be willing to trade DJ and give Torres a big contract. I'm not sure if the Yankees would do the latter.




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I believe DJ has a NTC. If Gleyber has played well enough to warrant a big contract...great!

4 months ago  ::  Feb 04, 2023 - 1:43PM #22
SSBob
Posts: 13,519

Feb 4, 2023 -- 1:12PM, 1955nyyfan wrote:


Feb 4, 2023 -- 12:41PM, SSBob wrote:


Feb 4, 2023 -- 12:39PM, manbot wrote:


Feb 4, 2023 -- 12:35PM, SSBob wrote:


Feb 4, 2023 -- 12:23PM, Max wrote:


I like the idea of a Torres, Peraza, Volpe, Rizzo, infield. But the Yankees still have DJ. So, I think there's a chance Torres is going to get traded either for Reynolds or for pitching prospects that the Pirates want in a trade for Reynolds. 




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Yanks have a classic power hitting 3B in Gleyber. He'd be 27 during the '24 season. If Peraza & Volpe live up to their projections that's a great looking IF for many years.




Hopefully the LH hitting Wells joins them at 1st base in 2024 ... how bout that for a homegown infield




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Thought it was a given Wells would move to 1B, but reports are he's made great improvements at catcher and his statements indicate that's where he wants to stay.




Bob, I've been reading the same thing. If his left handed bat plays out like some are expecting and he even becomes an average defensive catcher he could be a Posada like player. Still aways to go but that would be very nice. 




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Rizzo is still under contract for '24, and 1B might be a good landing spot for DJ after that.

4 months ago  ::  Feb 04, 2023 - 2:13PM #23
manbot
Posts: 3,032

Feb 4, 2023 -- 12:54PM, Max wrote:


Feb 4, 2023 -- 12:36PM, manbot wrote:


Feb 4, 2023 -- 12:23PM, Max wrote:


I like the idea of a Torres, Peraza, Volpe, Rizzo, infield. But the Yankees still have DJ. So, I think there's a chance Torres is going to get traded either for Reynolds or for pitching prospects that the Pirates want in a trade for Reynolds. 




Yeah because DJ and Rizzo are  the picture of health and still have 5-6 prime years in front of them




Both players are on the Yankees, so your sarcasm is irrelevant. Let me ask you something...


What player is going to bring back more in a trade for the Yankees Torres or DJ?


Are the Yankees willing to give Torres a big contract with left-hand hitting Sweeney only a couple of years away from being ready to play for the Yankees? 




Just because the Yankees are stuck with old players with bad contracts doesnt mean they should trade their good young players with good contracts. That doesn make any sense at all.


If they trade Gleyber and DJ continues to decline and the prospects dont pan out ... they've just ruined this season and more.


Sweeney has batted .240 at A ball and .230 at AA so far so let's not get ahead of ourselves.


I wouldnt count on Peraza, Volpe and Sweeney all making it and I certainly wouldnt count on either of them being better players than Gleyber. 


Gleyber was every bit the prospect that these guys are. He was the #1 SS prospect and #5 overall in 2018 




4 months ago  ::  Feb 04, 2023 - 3:11PM #24
Max
Posts: 11,440

Feb 4, 2023 -- 2:13PM, manbot wrote:


Feb 4, 2023 -- 12:54PM, Max wrote:


Feb 4, 2023 -- 12:36PM, manbot wrote:


Feb 4, 2023 -- 12:23PM, Max wrote:


I like the idea of a Torres, Peraza, Volpe, Rizzo, infield. But the Yankees still have DJ. So, I think there's a chance Torres is going to get traded either for Reynolds or for pitching prospects that the Pirates want in a trade for Reynolds. 




Yeah because DJ and Rizzo are  the picture of health and still have 5-6 prime years in front of them




Both players are on the Yankees, so your sarcasm is irrelevant. Let me ask you something...


What player is going to bring back more in a trade for the Yankees Torres or DJ?


Are the Yankees willing to give Torres a big contract with left-hand hitting Sweeney only a couple of years away from being ready to play for the Yankees? 




Just because the Yankees are stuck with old players with bad contracts doesnt mean they should trade their good young players with good contracts. That doesn make any sense at all.


If they trade Gleyber and DJ continues to decline and the prospects dont pan out ... they've just ruined this season and more.


Sweeney has batted .240 at A ball and .230 at AA so far so let's not get ahead of ourselves.


I wouldnt count on Peraza, Volpe and Sweeney all making it and I certainly wouldnt count on either of them being better players than Gleyber. 


Gleyber was every bit the prospect that these guys are. He was the #1 SS prospect and #5 overall in 2018 





Who talking about old players with bad contracts and trading young players with good contracts? DJ is 33 years old and he just won a gold glove. His contract isn't as bad as it was when he first signed it since MLB salaries have skyrocketed. Also, if Torres has a good year, his next contract isn't going to be a team friendly contract. 


I'm not criticizing Torres talent, as I said...I like the idea of a Torres, Peraza, Volpe, Rizzo, infield.


But the roster is what it is, and the luxury tax is what it is. The Yankees also have flaws, and to address those flaws in my opinion, Torres has more trade value than DJ. Yeah, I would like the Yankees to keep and re-sign Torres and trade DJ to address their flaws. But in my opinion, I doubt that the Yankees are willing to do that. 

4 months ago  ::  Feb 04, 2023 - 7:02PM #25
manbot
Posts: 3,032

Feb 4, 2023 -- 3:11PM, Max wrote:


Feb 4, 2023 -- 2:13PM, manbot wrote:


Feb 4, 2023 -- 12:54PM, Max wrote:


Feb 4, 2023 -- 12:36PM, manbot wrote:


Feb 4, 2023 -- 12:23PM, Max wrote:


I like the idea of a Torres, Peraza, Volpe, Rizzo, infield. But the Yankees still have DJ. So, I think there's a chance Torres is going to get traded either for Reynolds or for pitching prospects that the Pirates want in a trade for Reynolds. 




Yeah because DJ and Rizzo are  the picture of health and still have 5-6 prime years in front of them




Both players are on the Yankees, so your sarcasm is irrelevant. Let me ask you something...


What player is going to bring back more in a trade for the Yankees Torres or DJ?


Are the Yankees willing to give Torres a big contract with left-hand hitting Sweeney only a couple of years away from being ready to play for the Yankees? 




Just because the Yankees are stuck with old players with bad contracts doesnt mean they should trade their good young players with good contracts. That doesn make any sense at all.


If they trade Gleyber and DJ continues to decline and the prospects dont pan out ... they've just ruined this season and more.


Sweeney has batted .240 at A ball and .230 at AA so far so let's not get ahead of ourselves.


I wouldnt count on Peraza, Volpe and Sweeney all making it and I certainly wouldnt count on either of them being better players than Gleyber. 


Gleyber was every bit the prospect that these guys are. He was the #1 SS prospect and #5 overall in 2018 





Who talking about old players with bad contracts and trading young players with good contracts? DJ is 33 years old and he just won a gold glove. His contract isn't as bad as it was when he first signed it since MLB salaries have skyrocketed. Also, if Torres has a good year, his next contract isn't going to be a team friendly contract. 


I'm not criticizing Torres talent, as I said...I like the idea of a Torres, Peraza, Volpe, Rizzo, infield.


But the roster is what it is, and the luxury tax is what it is. The Yankees also have flaws, and to address those flaws in my opinion, Torres has more trade value than DJ. Yeah, I would like the Yankees to keep and re-sign Torres and trade DJ to address their flaws. But in my opinion, I doubt that the Yankees are willing to do that. 




DJ Turns 35 around the all star break this season after playing injured and the fewest games hes played in 10 Years


And Yes ... if you cant keep your young stars because aging declining players are signed through age 38 ... Those are bad contracts !


You trade Torres to fill a hole in LF and DJ continues to decline then you still have holes to fill and now you have to pay your left fielder.


If you really want a Left Fielder you should be proposing a package of players like Sweeney who will likely never help this team.


Yankees are in it to win it this year and next !! You dont trade the stars who are going to get you there!! It doesnt make sense!!


4 months ago  ::  Feb 05, 2023 - 1:24PM #26
Max
Posts: 11,440

Feb 4, 2023 -- 7:02PM, manbot wrote:


Feb 4, 2023 -- 3:11PM, Max wrote:


Feb 4, 2023 -- 2:13PM, manbot wrote:


Feb 4, 2023 -- 12:54PM, Max wrote:


Feb 4, 2023 -- 12:36PM, manbot wrote:


Feb 4, 2023 -- 12:23PM, Max wrote:


I like the idea of a Torres, Peraza, Volpe, Rizzo, infield. But the Yankees still have DJ. So, I think there's a chance Torres is going to get traded either for Reynolds or for pitching prospects that the Pirates want in a trade for Reynolds. 




Yeah because DJ and Rizzo are  the picture of health and still have 5-6 prime years in front of them




Both players are on the Yankees, so your sarcasm is irrelevant. Let me ask you something...


What player is going to bring back more in a trade for the Yankees Torres or DJ?


Are the Yankees willing to give Torres a big contract with left-hand hitting Sweeney only a couple of years away from being ready to play for the Yankees? 




Just because the Yankees are stuck with old players with bad contracts doesnt mean they should trade their good young players with good contracts. That doesn make any sense at all.


If they trade Gleyber and DJ continues to decline and the prospects dont pan out ... they've just ruined this season and more.


Sweeney has batted .240 at A ball and .230 at AA so far so let's not get ahead of ourselves.


I wouldnt count on Peraza, Volpe and Sweeney all making it and I certainly wouldnt count on either of them being better players than Gleyber. 


Gleyber was every bit the prospect that these guys are. He was the #1 SS prospect and #5 overall in 2018 





Who talking about old players with bad contracts and trading young players with good contracts? DJ is 33 years old and he just won a gold glove. His contract isn't as bad as it was when he first signed it since MLB salaries have skyrocketed. Also, if Torres has a good year, his next contract isn't going to be a team friendly contract. 


I'm not criticizing Torres talent, as I said...I like the idea of a Torres, Peraza, Volpe, Rizzo, infield.


But the roster is what it is, and the luxury tax is what it is. The Yankees also have flaws, and to address those flaws in my opinion, Torres has more trade value than DJ. Yeah, I would like the Yankees to keep and re-sign Torres and trade DJ to address their flaws. But in my opinion, I doubt that the Yankees are willing to do that. 




DJ Turns 35 around the all star break this season after playing injured and the fewest games hes played in 10 Years


And Yes ... if you cant keep your young stars because aging declining players are signed through age 38 ... Those are bad contracts !


You trade Torres to fill a hole in LF and DJ continues to decline then you still have holes to fill and now you have to pay your left fielder.


If you really want a Left Fielder you should be proposing a package of players like Sweeney who will likely never help this team.


Yankees are in it to win it this year and next !! You dont trade the stars who are going to get you there!! It doesnt make sense!!




What are you talking about? DJ isn't making much per year, but there's also a roster issue which has nothing to do with money. Trades that were being speculated about involving Torres was to trade him for Reynolds who is a star or for trade chips the Pirates want in order to trade for Reynolds. The Yankees would be trading through strength to upgrade one of their weaknesses.


That makes lots of sense. What doesn't make sense is having two 3Bmen or two 2Bmen while not having a proven upgrade in LF. And that's not even including Volpe who isn't that far away from playing for the Yankees.


I don't know for sure but in the world of the MLB luxury tax I doubt that the Yankees are going to pay Torres big money when the Yankees have DJ and players with team friendly contracts that can replace Torres in the near future. Sweeney can play SS, so he can play just about anywhere on the field. So it can't be said for sure if he will likely never help the Yankees. But trading Sweeney doesn't help the Yankees crowded infield. As I said, the roster is what it is.  


4 months ago  ::  Feb 05, 2023 - 5:51PM #27
xnewyorker
Posts: 1,077

DJ has a limited no-trade protection for 2023-26 allowing LeMaheiu to block deals to five clubs.


He will become a 10 and 5 player after 2023 and block any deals.

4 months ago  ::  Feb 05, 2023 - 6:16PM #28
manbot
Posts: 3,032

Feb 5, 2023 -- 1:24PM, Max wrote:


Feb 4, 2023 -- 7:02PM, manbot wrote:


Feb 4, 2023 -- 3:11PM, Max wrote:


Feb 4, 2023 -- 2:13PM, manbot wrote:


Feb 4, 2023 -- 12:54PM, Max wrote:


Feb 4, 2023 -- 12:36PM, manbot wrote:


Feb 4, 2023 -- 12:23PM, Max wrote:


I like the idea of a Torres, Peraza, Volpe, Rizzo, infield. But the Yankees still have DJ. So, I think there's a chance Torres is going to get traded either for Reynolds or for pitching prospects that the Pirates want in a trade for Reynolds. 




Yeah because DJ and Rizzo are  the picture of health and still have 5-6 prime years in front of them




Both players are on the Yankees, so your sarcasm is irrelevant. Let me ask you something...


What player is going to bring back more in a trade for the Yankees Torres or DJ?


Are the Yankees willing to give Torres a big contract with left-hand hitting Sweeney only a couple of years away from being ready to play for the Yankees? 




Just because the Yankees are stuck with old players with bad contracts doesnt mean they should trade their good young players with good contracts. That doesn make any sense at all.


If they trade Gleyber and DJ continues to decline and the prospects dont pan out ... they've just ruined this season and more.


Sweeney has batted .240 at A ball and .230 at AA so far so let's not get ahead of ourselves.


I wouldnt count on Peraza, Volpe and Sweeney all making it and I certainly wouldnt count on either of them being better players than Gleyber. 


Gleyber was every bit the prospect that these guys are. He was the #1 SS prospect and #5 overall in 2018 





Who talking about old players with bad contracts and trading young players with good contracts? DJ is 33 years old and he just won a gold glove. His contract isn't as bad as it was when he first signed it since MLB salaries have skyrocketed. Also, if Torres has a good year, his next contract isn't going to be a team friendly contract. 


I'm not criticizing Torres talent, as I said...I like the idea of a Torres, Peraza, Volpe, Rizzo, infield.


But the roster is what it is, and the luxury tax is what it is. The Yankees also have flaws, and to address those flaws in my opinion, Torres has more trade value than DJ. Yeah, I would like the Yankees to keep and re-sign Torres and trade DJ to address their flaws. But in my opinion, I doubt that the Yankees are willing to do that. 




DJ Turns 35 around the all star break this season after playing injured and the fewest games hes played in 10 Years


And Yes ... if you cant keep your young stars because aging declining players are signed through age 38 ... Those are bad contracts !


You trade Torres to fill a hole in LF and DJ continues to decline then you still have holes to fill and now you have to pay your left fielder.


If you really want a Left Fielder you should be proposing a package of players like Sweeney who will likely never help this team.


Yankees are in it to win it this year and next !! You dont trade the stars who are going to get you there!! It doesnt make sense!!




What are you talking about? DJ isn't making much per year, but there's also a roster issue which has nothing to do with money. Trades that were being speculated about involving Torres was to trade him for Reynolds who is a star or for trade chips the Pirates want in order to trade for Reynolds. The Yankees would be trading through strength to upgrade one of their weaknesses.


That makes lots of sense. What doesn't make sense is having two 3Bmen or two 2Bmen while not having a proven upgrade in LF. And that's not even including Volpe who isn't that far away from playing for the Yankees.


I don't know for sure but in the world of the MLB luxury tax I doubt that the Yankees are going to pay Torres big money when the Yankees have DJ and players with team friendly contracts that can replace Torres in the near future. Sweeney can play SS, so he can play just about anywhere on the field. So it can't be said for sure if he will likely never help the Yankees. But trading Sweeney doesn't help the Yankees crowded infield. As I said, the roster is what it is.  




You keep talking about this Middle infield strength of the Yankees ... The only strong part about it at the moment is Gleyber.

  • Peraza is unproven and was never the prospect that Gleyber is ... I highly doubt Peraza will ever be as good as Gleyber offensively 
  • DJ is going to be 35 - He's injured and his health is a question mark ... He is also the backup 1st and 3rd baseman 
  • Volpe is unproven and probably going to start the year in the Minors
  • Sweeney ... I'd be willing to bet never plays a game for the Yankees  
  • Donaldson will be gone after this season and either Gleyber or Volpe will be the favorite to take over 3rd 

It's not a strength ... at least not yet, We will know more in a year


Using your logic I could argue LF is a strength 


We have Hicks, Cabrera, Stanton, Pereira and Dominguez why the hell would trade for a LFer ???





4 months ago  ::  Feb 05, 2023 - 6:23PM #29
Jon
Posts: 7,653

The Fox will get a nice long look in Florida.


(Sorry, mental error.)

4 months ago  ::  Feb 05, 2023 - 6:25PM #30
manbot
Posts: 3,032

Feb 5, 2023 -- 6:23PM, Jon wrote:


The Wolf will get a nice long look in Florida.




Who is The Wolf?

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