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Judge and Cortes on IL
6 months ago  ::  Jun 08, 2023 - 4:39PM #31
manbot
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Jun 8, 2023 -- 10:25AM, NW wrote:


Jun 8, 2023 -- 9:28AM, hampfan wrote:


Jun 7, 2023 -- 11:51PM, bumper wrote:


Jun 7, 2023 -- 7:58PM, 1955nyyfan wrote:

Billy McKinney being recalled to take Judges spot while on IL. A somewhat surprising move to me and one I'm not overly excited about.



guess that says how they feel about florial. mckinney's slashing .274/.388/.511 with nine home runs and 25 RBI in 40 games, which is decent but florial's been putting up better numbers.




The way the Cashman Yankees have treated Florial, even as he continues his AAA offensive rampage, strikes me as not just wrong but worse than that. Yes, he failed to perform well in his several but spotty major-league call-ups. But he never was given the chance to play regularly that, say, Volpe is receiving, and thus to correct or overcome his failures. Could he have done so, esp. given his strikeout propensity? I don't know. I hope he gets a chance to play regularly elsewhere next year, if only to prove the Cashman Yankees right or wrong. As it stands, if I were a young ballplayer, I'd think twice before--if I had them--surrendering my opportunities to play in Cashman's present minor league system.




All 30 MLB teams had the opportunity to open up a 40 man roster spot for Florial and none of them did.  It's not just Cashman's opinion.




I could assure you Florial would be snatched up in second if he was released right now.




6 months ago  ::  Jun 08, 2023 - 4:57PM #32
manbot
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Jun 8, 2023 -- 10:39AM, bumper wrote:


also after a slow start mckinney's been on fire since the beginning of may batting .363 with a 20% K rate, so they decided to give him a look.




Mckinney has had 5 years 6 teams, 260 plus game and 768 PAs to prove that he sux 


Florial has had 1 season 1 team and 35 PAs which proves nothing 


Even posters that are supporting Florial keep saying that he has failed multiple times ... that is just not true.


He was very succesful in 2020 and 2021 in his first 25 PAs 


He only failed in 2022  - 35 spotty plate appearnces 

6 months ago  ::  Jun 08, 2023 - 5:02PM #33
manbot
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Jun 8, 2023 -- 1:38PM, Max wrote:


Would have liked to see Dunham get promoted if he was hitting at Triple A, but he's not (.219).


I don't expect the Yankees to promote Florial unless they know for sure that they are going to keep him on their 26 man roster. Jasson Dominguez is only 20 years old, so it's way too early for the Yankees to give up on him. He's not hitting for average at Double A. But he still has a respectable .744 OPS so far this season, which would rank 3rd on the Yankees .001 ahead of Torres and trailing only Judge's 1.078 OPS and Rizzo's .840 OPS.




It's AA and .744 is only ok 


If that is you argument Florial would be 2nd to Judge with a 1.043 OPS and would be getting MVP consideration 

6 months ago  ::  Jun 09, 2023 - 1:59PM #34
Max
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Jun 8, 2023 -- 5:02PM, manbot wrote:


Jun 8, 2023 -- 1:38PM, Max wrote:


Would have liked to see Dunham get promoted if he was hitting at Triple A, but he's not (.219).


I don't expect the Yankees to promote Florial unless they know for sure that they are going to keep him on their 26 man roster. Jasson Dominguez is only 20 years old, so it's way too early for the Yankees to give up on him. He's not hitting for average at Double A. But he still has a respectable .744 OPS so far this season, which would rank 3rd on the Yankees .001 ahead of Torres and trailing only Judge's 1.078 OPS and Rizzo's .840 OPS.




It's AA and .744 is only ok 


If that is you argument Florial would be 2nd to Judge with a 1.043 OPS and would be getting MVP consideration 




So what that it's Double A? Aren't you using Triple A stats to make a case for Florial to get promoted? Florial's actual OPS in 3 seasons at Triple A is .841, which is still a good OPS. Yes, JD hasn't faced MLB pitching yet, but in Florial's short time in MLB he looked overmatched.


Yes, Florial shouldn't be judged by 54 MLB at bats, just like JD shouldn't be judge by 191 Double A at bats. I said more than once, Florial has earned another chance to be the Yankees LFer. As I also said, it's not like starting Florial in LF is keeping Dave Winfield on the bench. My "argument" as you call it, is that it's way too early for the Yankees to give up on JD.  

6 months ago  ::  Jun 09, 2023 - 2:04PM #35
NW
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Jun 9, 2023 -- 1:59PM, Max wrote:


Jun 8, 2023 -- 5:02PM, manbot wrote:


Jun 8, 2023 -- 1:38PM, Max wrote:


Would have liked to see Dunham get promoted if he was hitting at Triple A, but he's not (.219).


I don't expect the Yankees to promote Florial unless they know for sure that they are going to keep him on their 26 man roster. Jasson Dominguez is only 20 years old, so it's way too early for the Yankees to give up on him. He's not hitting for average at Double A. But he still has a respectable .744 OPS so far this season, which would rank 3rd on the Yankees .001 ahead of Torres and trailing only Judge's 1.078 OPS and Rizzo's .840 OPS.




It's AA and .744 is only ok 


If that is you argument Florial would be 2nd to Judge with a 1.043 OPS and would be getting MVP consideration 




So what that it's Double A? Aren't you using Triple A stats to make a case for Florial to get promoted? Florial's actual OPS in 3 seasons at Triple A is .841, which is still a good OPS. Yes, JD hasn't faced MLB pitching yet, but in Florial's short time in MLB he looked overmatched.


Yes, Florial shouldn't be judged by 54 MLB at bats, just like JD shouldn't be judge by 191 Double A at bats. I said more than once, Florial has earned another chance to be the Yankees LFer. As I also said, it's not like starting Florial in LF is keeping Dave Winfield on the bench. My "argument" as you call it, is that it's way too early for the Yankees to give up on JD.  




Dominguez is 4 years younger than your average AA player.  Give him a chance.


As for Florial, maybe he deserves a chance, maybe he doesn't.  It certainly looks like at this moment in time that McKinney is the hot hand.

6 months ago  ::  Jun 09, 2023 - 3:41PM #36
manbot
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Jun 9, 2023 -- 1:59PM, Max wrote:


Jun 8, 2023 -- 5:02PM, manbot wrote:


Jun 8, 2023 -- 1:38PM, Max wrote:


Would have liked to see Dunham get promoted if he was hitting at Triple A, but he's not (.219).


I don't expect the Yankees to promote Florial unless they know for sure that they are going to keep him on their 26 man roster. Jasson Dominguez is only 20 years old, so it's way too early for the Yankees to give up on him. He's not hitting for average at Double A. But he still has a respectable .744 OPS so far this season, which would rank 3rd on the Yankees .001 ahead of Torres and trailing only Judge's 1.078 OPS and Rizzo's .840 OPS.




It's AA and .744 is only ok 


If that is you argument Florial would be 2nd to Judge with a 1.043 OPS and would be getting MVP consideration 




So what that it's Double A? Aren't you using Triple A stats to make a case for Florial to get promoted? Florial's actual OPS in 3 seasons at Triple A is .841, which is still a good OPS. Yes, JD hasn't faced MLB pitching yet, but in Florial's short time in MLB he looked overmatched.


Yes, Florial shouldn't be judged by 54 MLB at bats, just like JD shouldn't be judge by 191 Double A at bats. I said more than once, Florial has earned another chance to be the Yankees LFer. As I also said, it's not like starting Florial in LF is keeping Dave Winfield on the bench. My "argument" as you call it, is that it's way too early for the Yankees to give up on JD.  




I'm not giving up on Dominguez but I am dissappointed so far ... yes he's young but he needs to stay where he is right now. He looks like he is at least 2 years away.


Florial essentially skipped AA (35 ABs) after a bad hand injury in 2019 and a covid washed out season in 2020 ... So 2021 was a huge jump from A+ to AAA ... And he is actually being judge by 31 MLB ABs in 2022 ... His previous 23 MLB in 2020/2021 were excellent  

6 months ago  ::  Jun 09, 2023 - 7:47PM #37
vdfebduderocks
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might as well try Florial, but Cashalytics is too stupid. He's hellbent on deprecating the value of hitters because "launch angles"

6 months ago  ::  Jun 09, 2023 - 9:17PM #38
NW
Posts: 6,080

Jun 9, 2023 -- 3:41PM, manbot wrote:


Jun 9, 2023 -- 1:59PM, Max wrote:


Jun 8, 2023 -- 5:02PM, manbot wrote:


Jun 8, 2023 -- 1:38PM, Max wrote:


Would have liked to see Dunham get promoted if he was hitting at Triple A, but he's not (.219).


I don't expect the Yankees to promote Florial unless they know for sure that they are going to keep him on their 26 man roster. Jasson Dominguez is only 20 years old, so it's way too early for the Yankees to give up on him. He's not hitting for average at Double A. But he still has a respectable .744 OPS so far this season, which would rank 3rd on the Yankees .001 ahead of Torres and trailing only Judge's 1.078 OPS and Rizzo's .840 OPS.




It's AA and .744 is only ok 


If that is you argument Florial would be 2nd to Judge with a 1.043 OPS and would be getting MVP consideration 




So what that it's Double A? Aren't you using Triple A stats to make a case for Florial to get promoted? Florial's actual OPS in 3 seasons at Triple A is .841, which is still a good OPS. Yes, JD hasn't faced MLB pitching yet, but in Florial's short time in MLB he looked overmatched.


Yes, Florial shouldn't be judged by 54 MLB at bats, just like JD shouldn't be judge by 191 Double A at bats. I said more than once, Florial has earned another chance to be the Yankees LFer. As I also said, it's not like starting Florial in LF is keeping Dave Winfield on the bench. My "argument" as you call it, is that it's way too early for the Yankees to give up on JD.  




I'm not giving up on Dominguez but I am dissappointed so far ... yes he's young but he needs to stay where he is right now. He looks like he is at least 2 years away.


Florial essentially skipped AA (35 ABs) after a bad hand injury in 2019 and a covid washed out season in 2020 ... So 2021 was a huge jump from A+ to AAA ... And he is actually being judge by 31 MLB ABs in 2022 ... His previous 23 MLB in 2020/2021 were excellent  




He's being judged by his insane strikeout rate, which hasn't changed.

6 months ago  ::  Jun 09, 2023 - 10:18PM #39
luvdayanks
Posts: 31,836

Jun 9, 2023 -- 7:47PM, vdfebduderocks wrote:


might as well try Florial, but Cashalytics is too stupid. He's hellbent on deprecating the value of hitters because "launch angles"




You should really put a lock on it, every time you open your pie hole dumber things come out.

6 months ago  ::  Jun 09, 2023 - 10:21PM #40
vdfebduderocks
Posts: 1,546

Jun 9, 2023 -- 10:18PM, luvdayanks wrote:


Jun 9, 2023 -- 7:47PM, vdfebduderocks wrote:


might as well try Florial, but Cashalytics is too stupid. He's hellbent on deprecating the value of hitters because "launch angles"




You should really put a lock on it, every time you open your pie hole dumber things come out.




ok geezer. Rather than criticizing other posters, maybe you should bring up some better alternatives rather than "this is the ebbs and flows of baseball or jesus or whatever"

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